Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-16 Thread Chris Blouch
I've seen a lot of confusion and finger pointing over the years on this topic and experienced the joy and frustration of working with Flash developers who really wanted to do the right thing only to discover there were lots of hoops to jump through or that it was just really hard to get it righ

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Teresa Cochran
Thanks for that exposition, Chris. It should really be in a blog or wiki. Much appreciated. Teresa On Jul 15, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > Thought I just posted this in another thread so I'll post again with a bit > more detail. > > Flash can be accessible on platforms that use the

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Chris Blouch
Thought I just posted this in another thread so I'll post again with a bit more detail. Flash can be accessible on platforms that use the MSAA (Microsoft Active Accessibility) APIs which means not on the Mac. Adobe also supports the newer cross platform IAccessible2 accessibility APIs so it al

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Eric Oyen
same here. I already use html 5 on youtube. those videos that are html 5 generally are a lot more accessible, especially in safari. -Eric On Jul 15, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Even Orca for linux has more flash accessibility than VO. However, I hope to > see flash phased out soo

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Karen Lewellen
Funny you would mention html5, w3c the web accessibility people are seeking an engineer to work specifically on html5 access policy. I have the job description details, so if anyone is interested, I will share them privately. not sure it is topical enough for a post. What will motivate more

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Teresa Cochran
Even Orca for linux has more flash accessibility than VO. However, I hope to see flash phased out soon and replaced by the leaner and meaner HTML5. Flash is inefficient, proprietary, and a resource hog compared to the concept of building the player into the HTML markup. Just saying. :) I hope to

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Eric Oyen
I think NVDA is the only one then. I just called a jaws user here in town to ask about his experience and he reported that jaws was unable to read any text embedded inside flash graphics and he only had minimal access to the player controls. still, it is worth investigating to see if jaws can do

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Eric Oyen
ok, I stand corrected. still, it such a pain in the butt to have to deal with websites that have nothing but flash. take my cell provider: t-mobile. they use flash to display plan info, billing details and payment input fields. I have repeatedly notified them of the problem over the last year, b

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread David Eagle
It should be noted that Flash is accessible on Windows with a Screenreader. I thought I better mention this because someone inferred that it wasn't accessible at all with screen readers. In fact, it is accessible with NVDA screenreader which is free. Lack of Flash accessibility is one thing that an

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, Apple not supporting Flash, at least on the Mac, is not true. Its just that Adobe Flash is no longer pre installed on Macs. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, & AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 15, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > flash is such a pa

Re: flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Eric Oyen
flash is such a pain mostly because the company never bothered to make it accessible. unfortunately, there is no screen reader that can readit. as for apple support, you are correct. one point, the place you are taking the course from may be violating the US ADA and you might have legal recou

flash why is it such a pain?

2011-07-15 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi all, Can anyone send me a simple source that explains why flash is such a major closed door? I am *trying* to get access to an on line course, where the audio for the class would be just as good, especially with what one must pay. even their order page triggers a forbidden error, so i want