Hi,
> But packaging is a whole part of a good user experience. Bad packaging
> means *bad* user experience, trust me.
I think this is the real problem about rpm here. Technically, I think
rpm is superior to deb but Debian's apt is still unmatched as a
package manager and the packagers do a better
Marcin,
that sounds reasonable!
Chris
2010/2/16, Marcin Juszkiewicz :
> On pon 15 lut 2010 21:49:14 CET, Pavel Rojtberg wrote:
>
>> > I guess the first MeeGo release will be
>> > widely based on Maemo but use rpm as packaging format.
>
> Maemo maybe is longer on a market but will rather not be a
On pon 15 lut 2010 21:49:14 CET, Pavel Rojtberg wrote:
> > I guess the first MeeGo release will be
> > widely based on Maemo but use rpm as packaging format.
Maemo maybe is longer on a market but will rather not be a base - will rather
provide applications and phone stuff.
> In general I think
On 15/02/2010 22:26, Christopher Intemann wrote:
> Well, I'm using Fedora on my desktop, so rpm is just fine for me...
> There seems to be an Fedora/ARM port available:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM
> However, since I'm not very familiar with that architecture, I can't say
> an
On 15/02/2010 17:29, Luca De Cicco wrote:
> I would stay away of packaging holy wars (packaging is boooring) :).
> It is true that packaging has some technical implications, however
> I would focus more on the scenario we are going to experience.
But packaging is a whole part of a good user experi
Hi,
Thomas Tanner schrieb:
> On 16.02.10 00:13, Marc Bantle wrote:
>
>> From what I understand from [1], the
>> the thing I'll miss most will be X11.
>>
>> I hope someone can disprove :-(
>>
> http://meego.com/developers/hardware-enabling-process
>
Reads encouraging :-) I'll stay tuned.
On 16.02.10 00:13, Marc Bantle wrote:
> From what I understand from [1], the
> the thing I'll miss most will be X11.
>
> I hope someone can disprove :-(
http://meego.com/developers/hardware-enabling-process
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From what I understand from [1], the
the thing I'll miss most will be X11.
I hope someone can disprove :-(
Given GTK and clutter are supposed to still be available, won't there be X?
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On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Marc Bantle wrote:
> From what I understand from [1], the
> the thing I'll miss most will be X11.
>
> [1]
> http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/qt-for-embedded-linux#compact-efficient-windowing-system
You misunderstand, or rather, you jump to conclusions.
QWS
Hi all,
Henry Bilby - HMMB schrieb:
> MeeGO will support opengl?
>
From what I understand from [1], the
the thing I'll miss most will be X11.
I hope someone can disprove :-(
Cheers,
Marc
[1]
http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/qt-for-embedded-linux#compact-efficient-windowing-system
sig
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Attila Csipa wrote:
>
> For the record, Adobe's Flash, Google's Chrome and Picasa officially offer
> DEBs. Moonlight is distributed as a firefox plugin, so it does not really
> relate to this question. Google Earth provides only a binary blob install
> (good luck
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Pavel Rojtberg wrote:
> Am 15.02.2010 21:32, schrieb Christopher Intemann:
>
> Since Maemo is already more mature than Moblin (IMHO) and does already
>> provide a telephony interface, I guess the first MeeGo release will be
>> widely based on Maemo but use rpm a
These two statements together make it clear for me as a hobby developer on this
platform that there is nothing to worry about, topic closed :-)
OTOH, I've clearly seen the limits of the App Manager (speed/performance) from
a user perspective and hope that the switch to .rpm could improve that.
E
Am 15.02.2010 21:32, schrieb Christopher Intemann:
Since Maemo is already more mature than Moblin (IMHO) and does already
provide a telephony interface, I guess the first MeeGo release will be
widely based on Maemo but use rpm as packaging format.
this is kind of a cotradiction - if Maemo is mo
I would rather see the benefits from the merge.
The different package format does not really matter, since developer tools
allow to create packages automatically and it won't need much efforts for
developers to provide both a deb and a rpm release.
Having a OS which is not bound to a single device
The meego.com site is announcing being in the process of merging moblin and
maemo garages. As someone who has a few projects on garage.maemo.org, it would
be nice to have a few general remarks from the Maemo side of this merger as to
what the future holds, should we mentally prepare to pack our
On Monday 15 February 2010 18:44:26 Christopher Intemann wrote:
> > > software applicable to date is either binary or rpm, but not deb. It is
> > > probably easier to convince developers to port their linux tools to
> > > MeeGo if they're already familiar with the package management.
> >
> > Which
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> On Sunday 14 February 2010, Christopher Intemann wrote:
>
>
> > I'm really confused now. Can the koffice viewer only display documents,
> or
> > is editing and creation of new documents possible eventually?
>
> The viewer can only view pre
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Max wrote:
> the N 900 is a relaunch of the communicator. but no phone house gets it.
>
By the way: What is phonehouse? Were'nt they a provider which did eventually
merge into Mobilcom or sth.? In which country do they still exist? I haven't
seen a store for ages
Andre,
> Don't feed the trolls, just ignore them, I'd propose here... :-)
I think you are right... :)
Julf
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Michael Cronenworth a écrit :
Thomas Tanner wrote:
I don't want a platform that is merely a Qt runtime enviroment (Symbian
would be sufficient) but one which also offers me easy access to the
complete GNU/Linux software world.
Debian based distributions have offered working ARM ports for years
b
>
>From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org]
>On Behalf Of ext Max [petersonm...@googlemail.com]
>Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:30 PM
>To: Johan Helsingius
>Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: MeeGo
>
>Nokia
Am Montag, den 15.02.2010, 19:15 +0100 schrieb Johan Helsingius:
> And why does that matter?
Don't feed the trolls, just ignore them, I'd propose here... :-)
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Nokia was the leader with the communicator phone, everyone wanted
since the smartphone age, nokia knows, selling hardware has gone and
acquired Qt.
the N 900 is a relaunch of the communicator. but no phone house gets it.
In the meantime we have
- Motorola Milstone and
- sony ericson x-peria 10
http
I have repeatedly stated this is not about the package format!
It is about the infrastructure and the available software.
I have no problem with commercial apps being installed as rpms (using
alien).
Why should we drop the efforts of the Maemo and Debian community on ARM
devices? Where is the Mobli
Max,
> Nokia N900 is still not available here in the phone povider houses.
And why does that matter? What's wrong with getting it from
the Nokia online store? Why do you feel the need to support
the "old world" phone channels?
> Open Source they know, but not marketing, they do not know.
I woul
Thomas Tanner wrote:
I don't want a platform that is merely a Qt runtime enviroment (Symbian
would be sufficient) but one which also offers me easy access to the
complete GNU/Linux software world.
Debian based distributions have offered working ARM ports for years
but Fedora does not. Porting Mob
Just analyzing the news..
"Many devices" - Tablets, cars, phones, televisions:
* Different screen sizes require different UI designs, and often more.
* On small mobile devices energy consumption is more acute problem than
on tablet, tv or car. Software originating from other device family
migh
On 15.02.10 17:55, Christopher Intemann wrote:
> Since MeeGo is about to become the successor of Maemo, I guess there
> won't be any need to backport anything.
such an attitude would make lots of N900 and N8x0 owners angry...
> I guess that rpm is just more advanced than deb.
this is wrong, but
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Attila Csipa wrote:
> On Monday 15 February 2010 17:55:16 Christopher Intemann wrote:
> > I guess that rpm is just more advanced than deb. Finally, most third
> party
> > software applicable to date is either binary or rpm, but not deb. It is
> > probably easier t
Am Montag, den 15.02.2010, 18:25 +0100 schrieb Max:
> both mailinglists will be disabled, and merged into the megoo mailinglist
>
> Right? :-P
No? :-P
> When? !
*If* it happens: When it's time to do so.
Maemo and Moblin both coexist right now and there is no need to pollute
each project with q
On Monday 15 February 2010 17:55:16 Christopher Intemann wrote:
> I guess that rpm is just more advanced than deb. Finally, most third party
> software applicable to date is either binary or rpm, but not deb. It is
> probably easier to convince developers to port their linux tools to MeeGo
> if the
On Sunday 14 February 2010, Christopher Intemann wrote:
> I'm really confused now. Can the koffice viewer only display documents, or
> is editing and creation of new documents possible eventually?
The viewer can only view presentation and word processor documents, with
spreadsheets coming and h
Hello
both mailinglists will be disabled, and merged into the megoo mailinglist
Right? :-P
When? !
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Hi,
Reply inline.
2010/2/15 Kimmo Hämäläinen :
> On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 04:09 +0100, ext Evan JIANG wrote:
>> Thank you for your reply.
>> Since I'm on travel now, I may could only try it some days later.
>>
>> I guess it's cause by the browser and hildon-desktop called some
>> matchbox API direc
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:21:12 +0100
Thomas Tanner wrote:
> AFAIK there a hardly any Moblin specific third-party apps.
> It could be much less effort to integrate the Moblin components
> in a Debian based system than converting all Maemo apps to Moblin/RPM.
>
of course that is what we - maemo gu
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Thomas Tanner wrote:
> The problem is more complex than converting binary .debs to .rpms using
> a hack.
> The dependencies, the build script and Debian (ucf, debconf) or Maemo
> (maemo-optify) specific aspects of the sources would need to be adapted
> as well. Ba
I would like to augment the battery indicator in the status bar with a
something numeric (I'm thinking a single digit representing the
remaining battery charge to the nearest tenth). Where would I look to
get started with this?
martin
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I would stay away of packaging holy wars (packaging is boooring) :).
It is true that packaging has some technical implications, however
I would focus more on the scenario we are going to experience.
How and who will manage the community efforts?
Is MeeGo going to be deployed on real commercial pr
On 15 Feb 2010, at 16:21, Thomas Tanner wrote:
> On 15.02.10 16:47, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
>>> The problem is more complex than converting binary .debs to .rpms
>>> using a hack.
>> alien is not a hack.
>
> the hack referes to a process ignoring the issues listed below. No
> automated process ca
On 15.02.10 16:47, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
>> The problem is more complex than converting binary .debs to .rpms
>> using a hack.
> alien is not a hack.
the hack referes to a process ignoring the issues listed below. No
automated process can take into account all the distribution and program
specifi
On Feb 15, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Thomas Tanner wrote:
> The problem is more complex than converting binary .debs to .rpms using
> a hack.
alien is not a hack. It is packaged and maintained by Joey Hess who wrote
debhelper. Few people know more about debian's build system than Joey.
> The dependenc
The problem is more complex than converting binary .debs to .rpms using
a hack.
The dependencies, the build script and Debian (ucf, debconf) or Maemo
(maemo-optify) specific aspects of the sources would need to be adapted
as well. Backporting to Maemo5 would also be more difficult.
Who benefits mor
MeeGO will support opengl?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Jeremiah Foster <
jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:
> Intel and Nokia collaboration: http://meego.com/
>
> Jeremiah
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Its not to much an issue to convert deb-packages to rpm, though.
You might want to have a look at:
http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/alien/
I prefer rpm to deb as well.
Cheers,
Chris
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Thomas Tanner wrote:
> the problem is not the package format itself but
> they avai
the problem is not the package format itself but
they available applications using the package format.
Maemo uses .deb and already has lots of applications (plus Jebba's etch
build). For Moblin, OTOH, are they any applications?
Is there any good reason to switch to .rpm except for breaking
compatib
Jeremiah Foster wrote:
Intel and Nokia collaboration:http://meego.com/
I guess I'll be the first to ask then:
N900 support upgrade path planned?
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Tor wrote:
This is very bad news IMO. I work a lot with both formats and I know
which one is less painful.
Completely subjective. I work with both, and I can tell you the opposite.
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Am Montag, den 15.02.2010, 14:44 +0100 schrieb Tor:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 14:30, Daniel Martin Yerga wrote:
>
> > Meego will use .rpm: http://meego.com/about/faq
>
> This is very bad news IMO. I work a lot with both formats and I know
> which one is less painful.
And this is a very subjecti
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 14:30, Daniel Martin Yerga wrote:
> Meego will use .rpm: http://meego.com/about/faq
This is very bad news IMO. I work a lot with both formats and I know
which one is less painful.
-Tor
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Hey
> Meego will use .rpm: http://meego.com/about/faq
thx..damn, i had looked at that page too - need more coffee obviously
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On 15/02/10 14:26, Ian wrote:
Hi,
I looked through the MeeGo site but could not see anything about
packaging. A while back Moblin moved away from .deb to .rpm to develop
more community around Moblin. Which (or maybe both?) will be supported
on MeeGo
Ian
Meego will use .rpm: http://meego.com/ab
Hi,
I looked through the MeeGo site but could not see anything about
packaging. A while back Moblin moved away from .deb to .rpm to develop
more community around Moblin. Which (or maybe both?) will be supported
on MeeGo
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On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Luca De Cicco wrote:
>
> I guess that the follow ups of this story will be very interesting.
> For starters,
> MeeGo claims to target automotive, where Intel has a very thin market
> share (if any).
Umm, perhaps you haven't seen the GenIVI consortium? (http://genivi
It works now, my package was imported.
Thanks!
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Niels Breet wrote:
> There was a package 'stuck', which prevented the update. Everything should
> be back to normal soon.
>
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> > Yesterday evening it worked ok, but this mor
Thanks Niels!
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Niels Breet wrote:
> There was a package 'stuck', which prevented the update. Everything should
> be back to normal soon.
>
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> > Yesterday evening it worked ok, but this morning I have the same problem.
> >
There was a package 'stuck', which prevented the update. Everything should
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> Yesterday evening it worked ok, but this morning I have the same problem.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Luca Donaggio
> wrote:
>
>
>> It seems so... I
On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Andrei Mirestean wrote:
> Yesterday evening it worked ok, but this morning I have the same problem.
Niels apparently was working on this.
Jeremiah
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Luca Donaggio wrote:
> It seems so... I promoted a package from -devel to -test
On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Luca De Cicco wrote:
>
> I guess that the follow ups of this story will be very interesting.
> For starters,
> MeeGo claims to target automotive, where Intel has a very thin market
> share (if any).
Umm, perhaps you haven't seen the GenIVI consortium? (http://genivi
Yesterday evening it worked ok, but this morning I have the same problem.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Luca Donaggio wrote:
> It seems so... I promoted a package from -devel to -testing three hours ago
> and the package interface is reporting its status as "promoted" but not
> "imported" yet
On Mo, 2010-02-15 at 12:49 +0100, Luca De Cicco wrote:
> Will Intel bend to ARM for the development of MeeGo? Except for
> netbooks that ship
> Atom CPUs all the other MeeGo targets seem to be ARM
Chris Davies (Slashgear) says it will:
"Of course, since other devices support Qt – such as
It seems so... I promoted a package from -devel to -testing three hours ago
and the package interface is reporting its status as "promoted" but not
"imported" yet.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Sascha Mäkelä wrote:
> Two days ago autobuilder wasn't working for me. Now that it works, package
>
Two days ago autobuilder wasn't working for me. Now that it works, package
importing doesn't seem to work, as I uploaded a package some time ago and
while building succeeded, it hasn't been imported yet. This is getting
old...
Anyway, has anybody noticed the same?
Thanks,
Sascha
Nokia N900 is still not available here in the phone povider houses.
There is coding and coding and no releasing.
In the end google will buy Nokia and me and Amigo will be 23andme.
Ami go home!
there is no linux mobile phone for the masses, because the merge is delaying.
We need the N900 with actual
Sorry I didn't cc the list.
I guess that the follow ups of this story will be very interesting.
For starters,
MeeGo claims to target automotive, where Intel has a very thin market
share (if any).
Will Intel bend to ARM for the development of MeeGo? Except for
netbooks that ship
Atom CPUs all the o
Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> Intel and Nokia collaboration: http://meego.com/
Right, sounds like maemo will be merged into meego.
Julf
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Hi Kimmo,
The source is from:
http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/trees/4.5/examples/opengl/hellogl_es2
Thanks
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Hello,
I took sample virtual keyboard plug-in source from following mail archive,
http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-comm...@maemo.org/msg09120.html
compiled and verified hildon onehand keyboard plug-in.
So I think there is latest virtual keyboard plug-in example sources which
are not committed
Intel and Nokia collaboration: http://meego.com/
Jeremiah
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On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 11:34 +0100, ext Charles Han wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am having issue when running the example hellogl_es2 from QT. The
> program segment fault on theN900 and showing this error message:
> X Error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window Parameter) 9
> Extension: 134 (unknown ex
On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 04:09 +0100, ext Evan JIANG wrote:
> Thank you for your reply.
> Since I'm on travel now, I may could only try it some days later.
>
> I guess it's cause by the browser and hildon-desktop called some
> matchbox API directly, that
> maybe some MB APIs could hide the window and
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