Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-11-03 Thread Ryan Abel
Just a heads up. The list will be finalized tomorrow and make its way to the packaging policy (hopefully) by the end of the week. Any changes after tomorrow should be proposed on the wiki page.[1] [1]https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair _

Re: App manager open development (was Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories)

2008-10-30 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 30, 2008, at 3:41 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > ext Ryan Abel wrote: >> Yes, a structured plan with enough open-endedness to keep the >> creativity >> flowing would be best. A Diablo-based community branch (perhaps >> combined >> with osv-c) might be helpful as a test-bed for some of the wilder

App manager open development (was Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories)

2008-10-30 Thread Quim Gil
ext Ryan Abel wrote: > Yes, a structured plan with enough open-endedness to keep the creativity > flowing would be best. A Diablo-based community branch (perhaps combined > with osv-c) might be helpful as a test-bed for some of the wilder ideas > before pushing them to the proper Fremantle develo

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 29, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Simon Pickering wrote: >> - Development worklow? Do you want to have a structured >> process with an >> agreed set of features in scope, a UI plan and so on or do you see >> better to continue the ad hoc approach of discussion+patches? >> Specially >> if you expect us

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marius Vollmer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sources are now on Gitorious: >> >>http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager > > Why the move to git? Is this just some tool fetishism or did the sv

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Application manager for Fremantle is developed openly: > >http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/devel.html Glad to see this has been updated :-) > Sources are now on Gitorious: > >http://gitorious.org/proj

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Ryan Abel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The community has plans, Nokia, but they're really hard to act on > unless we know what you're up to. Help us to help you. :) The Application manager for Fremantle is developed openly: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/devel.html Sources ar

RE: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Simon Pickering
> - Development worklow? Do you want to have a structured > process with an > agreed set of features in scope, a UI plan and so on or do you see > better to continue the ad hoc approach of discussion+patches? > Specially > if you expect us providing i.e. nice icons this is not something that >

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Quim Gil
ext Ryan Abel wrote: > On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > >> However, although I think the new UI is an improvement, it shouldn't >> be the UI which gets into fremantle's Application Manager for the >> default starting point of installing an app; it should be *much* >> prettier,

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/10/29 Andrew Flegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Neil Jerram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > [snip] >> >> Agree with all that. However, if "Programming" is a better English >> term than "Development" - which I agree with - surely the section name >> should be "users

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think it's important they all fit, so an interim version which > shaves the pixels off (although that assumes the font size isn't > increased) would be useful. That's what I did: there are now three columns and five rows visible without scrolling

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Ryan Abel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So while they should be valid, localized sections from h-a-m's point > of view, they shouldn't be valid sections for packages (I don't want > to see any debs with user/other or user/all ;)). Yes, very good point. __

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Neil Jerram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > Agree with all that. However, if "Programming" is a better English > term than "Development" - which I agree with - surely the section name > should be "users/programming"? Why, though? The "technical English" k

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/10/29 Andrew Flegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1) "Consistency" - with what? Why is consistency between the package > maintainer's key and the displayed text /in one language/ > important? > > 2) These are *example* English versions. Further discussions have > resulted in other s

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Glen Ditchfield wrote: > >> In the other 10 cases, the English string is the same as the tail >> end of the >> key. For consistency, could the English string in this case >> be "Development"? > > W

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Glen Ditchfield wrote: > Ryan Abel wrote: >> KeyEnglish i18n Examples >> user/development ProgrammingPy2Deb > > In the other 10 cases, the English string is the same as the tail > end of the > key. For consistency, could the English string in

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-28 Thread Glen Ditchfield
Ryan Abel wrote: > Key                English i18n   Examples > user/development   Programming    Py2Deb In the other 10 cases, the English string is the same as the tail end of the key. For consistency, could the English string in this case be "Development"?

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > However, although I think the new UI is an improvement, it shouldn't > be the UI which gets into fremantle's Application Manager for the > default starting point of installing an app; it should be *much* > prettier, with icons 'n' stuff. Clearl

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-28 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On that note, in windowed mode, there are 12 category buttons visible > on-screen with Jaffa's patch, but the 5th line (which would bring us > to 15 categories) is almost (but not quite) completely visible on > screen. Does a

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Abel
I'll note that I've added user/science ScienceScientific and engineering applications To the list on the wiki at the request of Yves (who, presumably, accidentally emailed me directly off-list). I figure it makes sense to have a Science section if we have an Education section

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: > "ext Ryan Abel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> So after a fair bit of discussion, we've arrive at a suitable list of >> package categories: > > Excellent! Just for completeness, what about also listing "All" and > "Others"? These need to be

Re: Proposal for Diablo's authoritative list of package categories

2008-10-28 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Ryan Abel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So after a fair bit of discussion, we've arrive at a suitable list of > package categories: Excellent! Just for completeness, what about also listing "All" and "Others"? These need to be translated as well, but maybe it is better to keep them out