Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Urho Konttori urho.kontt...@gmail.com writes: Also, the current model of centralized gigantic repository does not scale up too well. Just look at the state of using extras-devel is on the current devices (hint: slow pain). [ Urho, thanks for this opportunity to talk about how we want to

Re: Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread urho . konttori
Also, the current model of centralized gigantic repository does not scale up too well. Just look at the state of using extras-devel is on the current devices (hint: slow pain). [ Urho, thanks for this opportunity to talk about how we want to make package management kick ass

Maemo.org discover client, Was: Re: Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Niels Breet
On Fri, March 26, 2010 10:57, urho.kontt...@gmail.com wrote: - A maemo.org specific 'discovery client'. It interfaces with downloads.maemo.org over a custom protocol for browsing available applications. Right now it passes .install files to HAM for the actual installation, and my plan is to

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Urho Konttori
We are drifing in this discussion to what it was not. It was not about package management, but about the policies of how you can provide apps to the repositories. So, let's try to keep it there. I agree with you marius that we can do the HAM part to be better. Appdownloader by itself begs me

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Andrew Flegg
2010/3/26 Urho Konttori urho.kontt...@gmail.com: [snip] The problem of X-fade is not HAM, [...] I believe you did this before, so I'll correct you - I think you mean Khertan :-) Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Attila Csipa
On Thursday 25 March 2010 20:34:40 Urho Konttori wrote: I would propose the following as the first step to improve the support for the community developers: if a component X has been successfully promoted to extras once, when there is an update from the same developer for this component, it

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Urho Konttori urho.kontt...@gmail.com writes: Also, the current model of centralized gigantic repository does not scale up too well. Just look at the state of using extras-devel is on the current devices (hint: slow pain). [ Urho,

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes: One huge issue with the repository is the tool used on the backend: apt-ftparchiver. This tool cannot automatically remove debs and source packages, causing huge disk bloat (some packages have four or five versions sitting on the repos.)

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes: One huge issue with the repository is the tool used on the backend: apt-ftparchiver. This tool cannot automatically remove debs and source packages, causing huge disk bloat (some

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 26 March 2010 11:53:43 Attila Csipa wrote: All security comments are insane in my opinion. If some person really wants to be evil, there is nothing in our process that would block that except by accident. I would rather say that it's more of a formulation issue. It would be more

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Jeremiah Foster wrote: On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Marius Vollmer wrote: This work has been largely ignored by the Nokia team running the repos, much to my frustration. Yes, Nokia is good at that. ;-) Nokia is not alone. We'll soon get to see how the Intel / Nokia combo is at

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Samir Faci (Dev)
Or you know... wait for it to be released first and see what it looks like first hand? Just a thought.. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Hi, Jeremiah Foster wrote: On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Marius Vollmer wrote: This work has been largely ignored by

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Mar 26, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Samir Faci (Dev) wrote: Or you know... wait for it to be released first and see what it looks like first hand? Just a thought.. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Hi, Jeremiah Foster wrote: On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:00 PM,

RE: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Aldon Hynes
Jeremiah Foster wrote: This work has been largely ignored by the Nokia team running the repos, much to my frustration. On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Marius Vollmer wrote: Yes, Nokia is good at that. ;-) Jeremiah Foster wrote: Nokia is not alone. We'll soon get to see how the Intel /

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-25 Thread Urho Konttori
My 2 cents is that I find it also imbearably - on one hand makes it easier for developers to get their updated versions into the feeds, while - on the other hand make as as sure as (practibly) possible that users (which one day will mostly not be developers) do not brick their devices or