Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-16 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:09:47AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Jamie Bennett wrote: On 15 Jun 2009, at 21:41, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: Please guys, not every thread on maemo-users has to be a shouting match. Mark, you've said your piece several times, don't feel obliged to

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-16 Thread Gary
Dave Neary wrote: Mark, you've said your piece several times, don't feel obliged to repeat the same thing every time the N810 or the N900 come up on the list. That reminds me -- the N900 is supposed to include GPRS and HSPA but I don't see how that's any indication of it being more than a

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-16 Thread Mark
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Gary g...@eyetraxx.net wrote: That reminds me -- the N900 is supposed to include GPRS and HSPA but I don't see how that's any indication of it being more than a data device. Sure, it may be subsidized by carriers but so are a few net books now and they're not

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-16 Thread Gary
Mark wrote: Even if the form factor is the same, the processor etc. is supposed to be completely different. That's why Freemantle won't run on the current tablets without being ported. Aren't the current tablets OMAP2? The new versions will be OMAP3 and have 3D graphics acceleration. True

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-16 Thread lakestevensdental
The SmartQ5 noted in the link below is one of those looks nice, but Close to vaporware, worked, but slow because of processor limitations. An updated version supposedly has the same limits, but tweaks the size. http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/smartq.html

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-16 Thread Lon Lentz
So say the rumors for next year's iPhone: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/06/16/multi_core_arm_chips_bound_for_apples_next_gen_iphones.html On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: The ARM clock speed wall could very likely be surpassed by

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-16 Thread Peter Flynn
Mark Haury wrote: I'm using GPE myself, but I've spent 6 months trying to fix the botched data import. There's just no way to reliably import data or specify corresponding data fields. Yes; the apps seem to have been designed by someone who has heard PIM apps described, but has never seen

N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Lake Stevens Dental
FYI, Buy.com has the n810 for $180. Which is another way of saying, the end of the n810 series is near... It's still a great little unit, as is the n800. Wouldn't take a trip without it. Always, Fred Chittenden ___ maemo-users mailing list

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Peter Flynn
Lake Stevens Dental wrote: FYI, Buy.com has the n810 for $180. Which is another way of saying, the end of the n810 series is near... It's still a great little unit, as is the n800. What's the replacement for the N810? My N800 is still going fine, but if I was in the market for a new

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Peter Flynnpeter.fl...@mars.ucc.ie wrote: Lake Stevens Dental wrote: FYI, Buy.com has the n810 for $180. Which is another way of saying, the end of the n810 series is near... It's still a great little unit, as is the n800. What's the replacement for the N810

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Jamie Bennett
On 15 Jun 2009, at 21:41, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Peter Flynnpeter.fl...@mars.ucc.ie wrote: Lake Stevens Dental wrote: FYI, Buy.com has the n810 for $180. Which is another way of saying, the end of the n810 series is near... It's still

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Jamie Bennettja...@linuxuk.org wrote: On 15 Jun 2009, at 21:41, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Peter Flynnpeter.fl...@mars.ucc.ie wrote: Lake Stevens Dental wrote: FYI, Buy.com has the n810 for $180. Which is another way

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Montag, den 15.06.2009, 15:00 -0600 schrieb Mark: Another year? What is this based on?From the information that is currently available your 'guess' seem way off to me. If you have something better, let's have it. Otherwise, people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. My guess is

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Jamie Bennett
wrote: FYI, Buy.com has the n810 for $180. Which is another way of saying, the end of the n810 series is near... It's still a great little unit, as is the n800. What's the replacement for the N810? My N800 is still going fine, but if I was in the market for a new equivalent, what's

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jamie Bennettja...@linuxuk.org wrote: I must of missed where 'Nokia Employees' hinted at June next year. Apparently so... I base my guess on a _beta_ SDK in practical feature freeze, an October summit with high levels of device information expectations,

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Valerio Valerio
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jamie Bennettja...@linuxuk.org wrote: I must of missed where 'Nokia Employees' hinted at June next year. Apparently so... I base my guess on a _beta_ SDK in practical feature freeze, an

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Jamie Bennett
On 15 Jun 2009, at 22:30, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jamie Bennettja...@linuxuk.org wrote: I must of missed where 'Nokia Employees' hinted at June next year. Apparently so... Care to share some links? I base my guess on a _beta_ SDK in practical

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Valerio Valeriovdv...@gmail.com wrote: Funny, so I have a non-existent OpenMoko[1] device :) [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner Best, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Yes, you do, in the sense that they still have a long

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Kevin T. Neely
Note that the Palm Pre came out before the SDK was even readily available. I'm not sure the SDK is a good metric. Also, most of Mark's arguments tend toward the Internet Tablet is not ready for end users. Taking that as a fact (for sake of argument) then the freezing of the SDK would be the best

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Jamie Bennettja...@linuxuk.org wrote: I don't think you can compare OpenMoko to Nokia. Not until now, but they're headed that direction fast. They aren't freezing the software, they're freezing the *development environment* that is needed to create the

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: Note that the Palm Pre came out before the SDK was even readily available. I'm not sure the SDK is a good metric. Also, most of Mark's arguments tend toward the Internet Tablet is not ready for end users. 

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Kevin T. Neely
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: Note that the Palm Pre came out before the SDK was even readily available. I'm not sure the SDK is a good metric. You're comparing apples

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: I'm doing nothing of the kind.  I took your metric: the SDK and simply compared the two of them. You certainly are: I'm not using the SDK as a metric, Jamie is. I was discounting that as a reliable metric.

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Peter Flynn
Mark wrote: What's the replacement for the N810? There is none. From the details they've given thus far, the next generation of Maemo devices are going to be completely different than the current tablets, with incompatible hardware therefore software/OS. I don't care if they are different

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Luca Olivetti
En/na Peter Flynn ha escrit: So maybe I should have been more precise in my original question: Is there (or will there be soon) a pocket computer from some manufacturer (not necessarily Nokia) running a Unix-type OS of some description (not necessarily Maemo) that is broadly speaking a

Re: N810 for $180

2009-06-15 Thread Mark Haury
Peter Flynn wrote: Mark wrote: What's the replacement for the N810? There is none. From the details they've given thus far, the next generation of Maemo devices are going to be completely different than the current tablets, with incompatible hardware therefore software/OS. I