Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-30 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 09:54:04AM +0100, Luca Olivetti wrote: > > I do understand the differences and I don't expect nokia to support my > device forever. I hope, now that at least the wifi is "open", that I can > just install debian, (even though it's not my distribution of choice is > the on

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-30 Thread Luca Olivetti
En/na Ryan Abel ha escrit: > On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote: > >> El Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:35:17 + >> "gary liquid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >> >>> Shall we expect Nokia to simply cease development work and stop >>> everything because they have users of a current generatio

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:11:19AM -0600, Denis Dimick wrote: > >> So the worst case here; Nokia drops out of the Linux market, or >> reduces >> their support for older hardware platforms. >> >> Since the software is open source, > > excep

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread Denis Dimick
Hendrik, I stand corrected about the blobs. However, is my point still valid? Thanks, Denis On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:45 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:11:19AM -0600, Denis Dimick wrote: > > Ryan, > > > > First off I'd like to thank you and the other members of th

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:11:19AM -0600, Denis Dimick wrote: > Ryan, > > First off I'd like to thank you and the other members of the Maemo community > council for devoting time to Maemo, we all are busy in this day and time, > and I'm grateful there are people willing to stand up and lead this >

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread Denis Dimick
Ryan, First off I'd like to thank you and the other members of the Maemo community council for devoting time to Maemo, we all are busy in this day and time, and I'm grateful there are people willing to stand up and lead this community. Last night I was thinking about the issue of Nokia dropping s

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:40 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > ext Ryan Abel wrote: >> Well, when Nokia is done with Diablo to the point that they wont even >> apply a simple patch like this[1], then I'd say future plans are >> pretty >> important. > > It's not that "Nokia is done with Diablo". The development

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread Quim Gil
ext Ryan Abel wrote: > Well, when Nokia is done with Diablo to the point that they wont even > apply a simple patch like this[1], then I'd say future plans are pretty > important. It's not that "Nokia is done with Diablo". The development is split in teams and the Diablo development differs depe

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > About the rest of the thread, how useful is it to discuss before Nokia > publishes the maemo 5 API and announces a product shipping it? Enjoy > your current devices! Fremantle is not even in alpha. The N810 WiMAX > edition just started the sales few d

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-29 Thread Quim Gil
ext Fred Pacquier wrote: > it would be really good to see a final update > bringing the main Diablo improvements to OS2008HE, so that it can still > run the latest relevant apps. > > Is there any chance this will happen ? Not from Nokia's side. We rather invest our time in http://wiki.maemo.or

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 08:01:54PM -0400, Ryan Abel wrote: > On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 07:52:09PM +0100, Fred Pacquier wrote: > >> > >>So, before the Fremantle wave definitely buries the 770 platform (and > > > >This sounds like something I

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote: > El Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:35:17 + > "gary liquid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > >> Shall we expect Nokia to simply cease development work and stop >> everything because they have users of a current generation who can't >> use the newer faster

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 07:52:09PM +0100, Fred Pacquier wrote: >> >> So, before the Fremantle wave definitely buries the 770 platform (and > > This sounds like something I should know about. Googling Fremantle > tells me it's a city in Austr

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 28, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Mark wrote: > Yeah, they instigated the maemo community in order to have an excuse > to abandon support for hardware that is actually quite new. The N810 > hasn't even been out a year yet, and everybody's talking like it's a > dinosaur. They had lots of choices for har

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread lakestevensdental
Denis Dimick wrote: > . $400 for a n810 is a lot to shell out when you can buy a small > laptop, Acer, Asus, etc. and have a system with just a tad larger > footprint. > > Just my .02, > My two cents -- I've got both an EEE pc AND n800. They fill different niches. I find the n800 great for RSS

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Mark
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Flegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luca wrote: >> >> > Shall we expect Nokia to simply cease development work and stop >> > everything because they have users of a current generation who can't >> > use the newer faster better way of doing something? >> >> I c

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread gary liquid
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:35 PM, gary liquid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Denis, > > > > From the very first day I bought my tablet I knew I was on borrowed time. > > Just the same as when I purchase a new desktop or laptop or ca

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Mark
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:35 PM, gary liquid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Denis, > > From the very first day I bought my tablet I knew I was on borrowed time. > Just the same as when I purchase a new desktop or laptop or car or phone. > Evolutions occur and hardware becomes old. > Talk about "disp

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Andrew Flegg
Luca wrote: > > > Shall we expect Nokia to simply cease development work and stop > > everything because they have users of a current generation who can't > > use the newer faster better way of doing something? > > I can run the latest linux distribution on an almost 10 years old > computer, and I

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Denis Dimick
Gary, Luca's reply is more in line with my thinking. I do think one thing that Nokia needs to understand is when it's time to purchase a new "device" user irritation with a vendor plays a part in the decision. Will I climb further into bed with Nokia, buying a phone also, or look somewhere else fo

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 07:52:09PM +0100, Fred Pacquier wrote: > > So, before the Fremantle wave definitely buries the 770 platform (and This sounds like something I should know about. Googling Fremantle tells me it's a city in Australia, which seems not relevant. -- hendrik

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Luca Olivetti
El Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:35:17 + "gary liquid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Shall we expect Nokia to simply cease development work and stop > everything because they have users of a current generation who can't > use the newer faster better way of doing something? > Should Sony have remained

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread gary liquid
Denis, >From the very first day I bought my tablet I knew I was on borrowed time. Just the same as when I purchase a new desktop or laptop or car or phone. Evolutions occur and hardware becomes old. I have had my tablet now for 10 months, it remains valid and up to date and I can do more with it

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread David Grau Serra
I am agree with you. + 1 David > While I don't own a 700 or an 800, I have an n810, I'm watching what > Nokia does with these older models, are they going to require users > upgrade the hardware to get new apps, or are they going to support the > older hardware? If Nokia does not continue to

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Denis Dimick
While I don't own a 700 or an 800, I have an n810, I'm watching what Nokia does with these older models, are they going to require users upgrade the hardware to get new apps, or are they going to support the older hardware? If Nokia does not continue to support older hardware, I'm not sure Nokia go

Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread gary liquid
Fred, >From my perspective I'm not sure what would be blocking liqbase from running on the 770. I believe the only none standard things it uses are the XV library and the XSP raw mouse information. If you would like to run liqbase from the console and send me the output I will be happy to give it

Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)

2008-10-28 Thread Fred Pacquier
Ryan Abel a écrit : > On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Urivan Saaib wrote: >> I've been playing with Diablo on my n770 for several months. It has >> been >> fairly stable. > > No, you've been playing with Chinook. Diablo is not available for the > 770. Well, this is a question I've meant to ask Q