Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op vrijdag 01 juli 2011 07:40:24 schreef Radu-Cristian FOTESCU: I was trying to investigate the kded4 high CPU load, and I started to investigate some upstream reports, even if not necessarily reported for 4.6.90. Some such reports were related to ntrack, e.g. http://bugs.kde.org/268038

Re: [Mageia-dev] [117096] rebuild

2011-07-01 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:31 AM, r...@mageia.org wrote: Revision 117096 Author fwang Date 2011-07-01 08:31:34 +0200 (Fri, 01 Jul 2011) Log Message rebuild Please do not use only rebuild as log message. We really should speak about a pre commit hook blocking this simple commit log

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
afaik ntrack, if that is a problem, why don't you try and recompile KDE locally without ntrack? see if it improves stuff? But _why_ is ntrack a *required* dependency of KDE as long as: 1. other distros don't have it, neither as required by KDE, nor as an independent library; 2. It is

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Daniel Kreuter
Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999: Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia, we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Anne Nicolas
Le 1 juil. 2011 08:44, Daniel Kreuter daniel.kreute...@googlemail.com a écrit : Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999: Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia, we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of contributions, and it would be

Re: [Mageia-dev] [115962]

2011-07-01 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 01:19:59, Zé a écrit : 2011/6/30 Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org: On Thursday 30 June 2011 22:09:15 Zé wrote: 2011/6/29 John Balcaen mik...@mageia.org: 2011/6/29 r...@mageia.org: Revision 115962 Author ze Date 2011-06-29 15:57:57 +0200 (Wed, 29 Jun 2011)

[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications

2011-07-01 Thread Anne nicolas
Hi there As said during our last meeting, here is the review for proposed specifications on Mageia wiki. Comments are not about we will do or not (unless it was not reasonable) but: - ask for more information when needed - give a minimal status - ask for discussions when we are talking a very

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications

2011-07-01 Thread Anne nicolas
Please do not add new proposals on that page as it's coming after deadline. We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will collect more ideas here: http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ideas (thanks Stormi) -- Anne

Re: [Mageia-dev] [115962]

2011-07-01 Thread Balcaen John
On Friday 01 July 2011 10:18:14 Samuel Verschelde wrote: [..] Same question for me, I maintain qtads which is a qt4 app, but doesn't require any KDE lib. Is it necessary to use kde-macros for that ? Well here it's was initially packaged by neoclust it seems so that's normal he used the kde4

Re: [Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE

2011-07-01 Thread Kira
在 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:24:47 +0800, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org寫道: On Friday 01 July 2011 13:00:45 Kira wrote: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836 There's a special plasmoid which can help with user experience of those who used input method, but ever since the package request,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
macro_log_feature(QNTRACK_FOUND QNtrack Network status tracking library http://launchpad.net/ntrack;; FALSE Provides data input for Solid network status) We're just trying to provide our KDE with as much as functionnality as it's possible. OK, OK, OK (Leo Getz / Joe Pesci voice).   Some

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1

2011-07-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Dexter Morgan at 01/07/11 00:05 did gyre and gimble: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:41 AM, nicolas vigier bo...@mars-attacks.org wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Dexter Morgan wrote: Hello, i would like us to update to gnome 3.1 ( which will give gnome 3.2 ). When is the release

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Daniel Kreuter a écrit : Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999: Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia, we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other experiences, such as bug

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Anne Nicolas a écrit : Le 1 juil. 2011 08:44, Daniel Kreuter daniel.kreute...@googlemail.com mailto:daniel.kreute...@googlemail.com a écrit : Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999: Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia, we don't have to focus only

Re: [Mageia-dev] [115962]

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 01:19:59, Zé a écrit : 2011/6/30 Balcaen Johnmik...@mageia.org: On Thursday 30 June 2011 22:09:15 Zé wrote: 2011/6/29 John Balcaenmik...@mageia.org: 2011/6/29r...@mageia.org: Revision 115962 Author ze Date 2011-06-29 15:57:57 +0200

Re: [Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE

2011-07-01 Thread John Balcaen
2011/7/1 Kira elegant.pega...@gmail.com: 在 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:24:47 +0800, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org寫道: On Friday 01 July 2011 13:00:45 Kira wrote: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836 There's a special plasmoid which can help with user experience of those who used input

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread John Balcaen
2011/7/1 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca: macro_log_feature(QNTRACK_FOUND QNtrack Network status tracking library http://launchpad.net/ntrack;; FALSE Provides data input for Solid network status) We're just trying to provide our KDE with as much as functionnality as it's possible.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Balcaen John
On Friday 01 July 2011 03:56:21 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: macro_log_feature(QNTRACK_FOUND QNtrack Network status tracking library http://launchpad.net/ntrack;; FALSE Provides data input for Solid network status) We're just trying to provide our KDE with as much as functionnality as it's

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Daniel Kreuter
On 07/01/2011 01:21 PM, Anne nicolas wrote: [...] True. A developer would (almost always) be packaging their own creations. Often enhancements to upstream software. Thanks for the comment. I'm including the idea in the wiki page. Was not exactly what I meant. You cannot expect developpers

Re: [Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE

2011-07-01 Thread Kira
在 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:42:23 +0800, John Balcaen mik...@mageia.org寫道: because as i said on this bug report « i'll try to do it » not i'll dot it asap it's only since 5 days not a month or 2 weeks 5 days... during thoses 5 days i just wrote to package kde 4.7, some dependencies i also have

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread John Balcaen
2011/7/1 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca: [...] It's not the packager, it's the policy. Adding something just because upstream has provided an optional dependency... So then how are you going to test the functionality without testing it ? Even if we're not going to keep it why

Re: [Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager

2011-07-01 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 à 16:32 -0400, Vincent a écrit : Hi All, I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging rpms. As I don't know what needs to be packed, I've tried to make rpm for ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I must

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, John Balcaen wrote: 2011/7/1 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca: [...] It's not the packager, it's the policy. Adding something just because upstream has provided an optional dependency... So then how are you going to test the functionality without testing it ?

[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31

2011-07-01 Thread Dexter Morgan
Hello, As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues as possible upstream.

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31

2011-07-01 Thread JA Magallón
On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote: Hello, As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues as possible upstream. Nice!! I have some questions in my queue, but will wait till new packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31

2011-07-01 Thread Dexter Morgan
2011/7/1 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com: On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote: Hello, As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues as possible upstream. Nice!! I have some questions in

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 à 17:27 -0400, andre999 a écrit : proposal regarding mentoring program coordinator In various parts of the proposal I assume that users with a Mageia account can receive email redirected to them from pse...@mageia.org, to the address they give on the Mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Anne nicolas a écrit : 2011/7/1 andre999and...@laposte.net: Daniel Kreuter a écrit : Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999: Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia, we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of contributions, and it would

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 à 17:27 -0400, andre999 a écrit : proposal regarding mentoring program coordinator In various parts of the proposal I assume that users with a Mageia account can receive email redirected to them from pse...@mageia.org, to the address they give

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread nicolas vigier
On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote: We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages to all team members. It could be mentor...@mageia.org or similar (suggested by Daniel). We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have a group mail is

[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5

2011-07-01 Thread Funda Wang
Hello, I'm in favor of reverting tcl and tk into stable series 8.5 rather than current 8.6 beta1. 8.6b1 is released almost 2.5 years ago, and it seems that there is no plan pushing it into 8.6b2 or final stable release. Mandriva and Mageia are the only distros shipping 8.6b1. I don't think it is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Balcaen John
On Friday 01 July 2011 05:26:19 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: So then how are you going to test the functionality without testing it ? So what am I supposed to be testing? Apart that it doesn't kill my CPU, and that packaging etc. is correct, what is the _functionality_ to be tested? It's

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Jerome Quelin
On 11/07/01 11:20 -0400, andre999 wrote: Hadn't thought of it that way before, but some of these points ring a bell. I still have a lot to learn about the problems encountered in packaging. It might be interesting to prepare a guide that could be sent to offending developers .. if there isn't

Re: [Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5

2011-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
8.6b1 is released almost 2.5 years ago, and it seems that there is no plan pushing it into 8.6b2 or final stable release. Mandriva and Mageia are the only distros shipping 8.6b1. I don't think it is doable for a common distro. Any negative ideas? Looks like a good idea, judging by bug

Re: [Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5

2011-07-01 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Funda Wang fundaw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm in favor of reverting tcl and tk into stable series 8.5 rather than current 8.6 beta1. 8.6b1 is released almost 2.5 years ago, and it seems that there is no plan pushing it into 8.6b2 or final stable release.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
ntrack is supposed to provide more information regarding connection/route change for desktop applications such so we'll probably see applications or developpers used it later. If we can provide by default an environnement so developers can use it (aka no need to recompile/add 'x' br)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Rémi Verschelde
2011/7/1 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca: This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes 55-75% CPU. Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it made me

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: Now, it's tough to determine what exactly is making kded4 to eat the CPU. As I'm having a single core, I'm burned. At the same time, minor changes that are actually small improvements make me want to stay with 4.6.90, not to revert to 4.6.4

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
One way to figure that out is to attach gdb to it while it's running and then print a backtrace. If you do that several times, you may break in the code that's running a lot. But even if that works it is likely still not easy to figure out what's going on. Other ways to get

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Jerome Quelin a écrit : On 11/07/01 11:20 -0400, andre999 wrote: Hadn't thought of it that way before, but some of these points ring a bell. I still have a lot to learn about the problems encountered in packaging. It might be interesting to prepare a guide that could be sent to offending

Re: [Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager

2011-07-01 Thread José Jorge
Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:08:09, Vincent a écrit : I've updated the spec according to some of your comments. The error I have is: chown: changing ownership of `index.php': Operation not permitted It is in the files zone that you define that. Look at other www packages specs, like

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
nicolas vigier a écrit : On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote: We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages to all team members. It could be mentor...@mageia.org or similar (suggested by Daniel). We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a écrit : nicolas vigier a écrit : On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote: We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages to all team members. It could be mentor...@mageia.org or similar (suggested by Daniel).

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a écrit : nicolas vigier a écrit : On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote: We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages to all team members.

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 23:27:08, andre999 a écrit : 3) The mentoring coordinator team will monitoring IRC, mailing lists and forums, for those interested in becoming a packager. Those considering becoming packagers will often be hesitant, and we need to encourage them. So let's try to

Re: [Mageia-dev] libperl not found

2011-07-01 Thread Thomas Spuhler
On Thursday, June 30, 2011 09:12:26 pm Ahmad Samir wrote: On 1 July 2011 05:35, Thomas Spuhler tho...@btspuhler.com wrote: On Thursday, June 30, 2011 08:08:48 pm Ahmad Samir wrote: On 1 July 2011 03:24, Thomas Spuhler tho...@btspuhler.com wrote: On Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:16:47 am

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a écrit : nicolas vigier a écrit : On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote: [...] Would something like co...@pmentoring.mageia.org be Ok ? No,

Re: [Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator

2011-07-01 Thread andre999
Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 23:27:08, andre999 a écrit : 3) The mentoring coordinator team will monitoring IRC, mailing lists and forums, for those interested in becoming a packager. Those considering becoming packagers will often be hesitant, and we need to encourage