[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Robert Fox
After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out the orphans - like reset the logic behind it so the correct packages will be orphaned? Or is a fresh install in

[Mageia-dev] Numerous mariadb issues today.

2012-01-06 Thread Colin Guthrie
Hi, There are several problems today with mariadb, some more serious than others: Firstly, (a minor problem) the log file: Jan 3 14:04:34 jimmy mysqld_safe[10642]: 120103 14:04:34 mysqld_safe Logging to '/var/log/mysqld/mysqld.log'. Jan 3 14:04:34 jimmy mysqld_safe[10642]: 120103 14:04:34

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Funda Wang
I guess a lot of them are suggested by other packages, rather than required.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Robert Fox
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 12:32 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:16:52 +0100 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) -

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:16:52 +0100 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out the orphans - like reset the logic

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:43:21 +0100 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 12:32 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:16:52 +0100 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I

[Mageia-dev] [RFC] new ldetect, using libkmod

2012-01-06 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Hi I've uploaded in core/updates_testing a new ldetect, using libkmod instead of libmodprobe. I've also fixed several memleaks. There you'll find a drakxtools rebuild for this new libldetect. This result in: - faster lspcidrake - using quite less RAM ; eg on my test machine: o harddrake2 uses

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread wolf python london
On 6 January 2012 18:43, Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 12:32 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:16:52 +0100 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/1/6 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out the orphans - like reset the logic behind it so the correct packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] references to outside web sites/wiki

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 06 janvier 2012 à 20:31 +1300, Glen Ogilvie a écrit : On Wednesday, 4 January 2012 23:56:01 Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 22:36, Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net wrote: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 21:06, Romain d'Alverny wrote: wiki.mandriva.com may be

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Robert Fox
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 12:27 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/6 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Thomas Spuhler
On Friday, January 06, 2012 05:16:59 AM Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/6 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: 2012/1/6 Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com: On 6 January 2012 12:27, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: This is a well known issue. To clear out the list

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
2012/1/6 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out the orphans - like reset the logic behind it so the correct packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/1/6 Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com: On 6 January 2012 13:16, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: This is just a bogus claim: If some apps break after removing orphan packages, they'll break too after manually removing such packages, meaning they lack some

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 6 January 2012 15:53, LinuxBSDos.com fi...@linuxbsdos.com wrote: This is a well known issue. To clear out the list you need a deep knowledge of the system to determine which packages are really not needed anymore. Lately  this --auto-orphans line shreddered my whole system on a fresh

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 6 January 2012 16:13, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: This is just a bogus claim: If some apps break after removing orphan packages, they'll break too after manually removing such packages, meaning they lack some requires... Yes, right, I'd not remove such packages manually

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Thomas Backlund
06.01.2012 12:16, Robert Fox skrev: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out the orphans - like reset the logic behind it so the correct packages will be

Re: [Mageia-dev] List of CVE referencing software versions present in Mageia 1

2012-01-06 Thread Jani Välimaa
2012/1/6 Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com: Here is the output of a little script I just wrote. Vulnerable version, please check that a patch was applied if needed ..snip.. * openttd 1.1.0  - CVE-2011-3341  - CVE-2011-3342  - CVE-2011-3343 Fixed.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 06/01/2012 16:13, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Ah, I see your reasoning, of course, if the packager forgot to name the requires then urpmi declares them as orphans. But then, to be safe, you have to forget about auto-orphans altogether because you can not be sure that all packagers did their

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 06.01.2012 16:48, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: Le 06/01/2012 16:13, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Ah, I see your reasoning, of course, if the packager forgot to name the requires then urpmi declares them as orphans. But then, to be safe, you have to forget about auto-orphans altogether because

[Mageia-dev] mirror problem ?

2012-01-06 Thread philippe makowski
Hi, am I the only one that can't do updates since yesterday ? I get this message : erreur: /var/cache/urpmi/partial/autocorr-fr-3.4.4.2-0.3.mga1.noarch.rpm: not an rpm package erreur: /var/cache/urpmi/partial/libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts-3.4.4.2-0.3.mga1.noarch.rpm: not an rpm package erreur:

Re: [Mageia-dev] mirror problem ?

2012-01-06 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 15:58, philippe makowski makowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, am I the only one that can't do updates since yesterday ? I get this message : erreur: /var/cache/urpmi/partial/autocorr-fr-3.4.4.2-0.3.mga1.noarch.rpm: not an rpm package erreur:

Re: [Mageia-dev] mirror problem ?

2012-01-06 Thread philippe makowski
2012/1/6 Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com: The first package is valid here: strange I tried many times after a urpmi --clean with no success and now, with another mirror, no problem

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 06/01/12 10:16 did gyre and gimble: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out the orphans - like reset the logic behind it

Re: [Mageia-dev] references to outside web sites/wiki

2012-01-06 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Friday 06 January 2012 08:31, Glen Ogilvie wrote: Does anyone have .. a complete set of SRPMs from cooker? I just did a du -hs to see how large the SRPMS dir is for the last two releases, in case anyone wan't to know how much they will have to mirror. 2011 - 50GB 2010.2 - 46GB Personally

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Friday 06 January 2012 16:13, Thierry Vignaud wrote: The system has to be intelligent enough to know what is or is not an orphan. It is. We claim that it is not. orphan packages are packages that were never directly requested/installed; they're packages that got installed because they

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Sander Lepik
06.01.2012 19:40, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas: On Friday 06 January 2012 16:13, Thierry Vignaud wrote: The system has to be intelligent enough to know what is or is not an orphan. It is. We claim that it is not. Well, the system is ok. Just some packages are probably bogus and don't require all

Re: [Mageia-dev] references to outside web sites/wiki

2012-01-06 Thread Frank Griffin
On 01/06/2012 12:21 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: Thou I seriously don't believe All of the mirrors will start to remove Mandriva from their servers. Especially those who still have old releases. Some mirrors still have everything as far back as MDK 7.2. So, some mirrors will exist even if

Re: [Mageia-dev] references to outside web sites/wiki

2012-01-06 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 06.01.2012 19:00, schrieb Frank Griffin: On 01/06/2012 12:21 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: Thou I seriously don't believe All of the mirrors will start to remove Mandriva from their servers. Especially those who still have old releases. Some mirrors still have everything as far back as MDK

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 06.01.2012 17:55, schrieb Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 06/01/12 10:16 did gyre and gimble: After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested orphans - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or basesystem-minimal) - How do I clear out

[Mageia-dev] [ANN] the installer stage1 now use standard pppd pppoe

2012-01-06 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Hi Is there people still using PPP at install time (stage1, not the graphical stage2)? That is eg: booting boot.iso and selecting ppp/adsl after being offered to choose between installing from disk, HTTP, FTP, NFS, CD, ... I've made this stage1 using standard pppd pppoe instead of a 10 years

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 6 January 2012 18:54, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org wrote: The bug is not in urpmi but in the installer phase here. No. (Anyway the installer uses urpmi) I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from your system, this one is pulling all kde deps, so when removed it's

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Sander Lepik
06.01.2012 21:06, Dale Huckeby kirjutas: Evidently once I've installed package A which requests X, sometimes packages F, L, and T might subsequently get installed which also need X *and presumably would have requested it had it not already been installed*. But when I uninstall A it orphans X

Re: [Mageia-dev] references to outside web sites/wiki

2012-01-06 Thread Glen Ogilvie
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 06 janvier 2012 à 20:31 +1300, Glen Ogilvie a écrit : On Wednesday, 4 January 2012 23:56:01 Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 22:36, Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net wrote: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 21:06, Romain

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Friday 06 January 2012 18:54, Balcaen John wrote: I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from your system I did not. I should have been more clearly with my example. :-)= The packages in my example where all console program, that I installed and removed using urpm[ie].

Re: [Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .

2012-01-06 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op vrijdag 06 januari 2012 13:02:26 schreef Thierry Vignaud: On 6 January 2012 12:27, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: This is a well known issue. To clear out the list you need a deep knowledge of the system to determine which packages are really not needed anymore.