[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?

2011-10-31 Thread Funda Wang
Hello, After reading this: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7 We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means, we won't have any support from upstream even for security issues from June

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?

2011-10-31 Thread Anne Nicolas
Le 31/10/2011 07:12, Funda Wang a écrit : Hello, After reading this: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7 We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means, we won't have any support

Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 29 octobre 2011 à 18:38 +0100, Philippe Reynes a écrit : Hi all, Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium): - an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already done - an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now I am a little bit stupid, but can you

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 14:12 +0800, Funda Wang a écrit : Hello, After reading this: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7 We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means, we

[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging

2011-10-31 Thread Philippe Reynes
Hi all, If you talk about this page :  http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policys[]=updates[]=policy I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand where is the issue with  this page and e17.  I understand that e17 don't provide stable release with tarball. But I never

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?

2011-10-31 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 06:12, Funda Wang fundaw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, After reading this: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7 We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging

2011-10-31 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 31.10.2011 13:40, schrieb Philippe Reynes: Hi all, If you talk about this page : http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policys[]=updates[]=policy http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policys[]=updates[]=policy I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit : Colin Guthrie skrev 30.10.2011 13:26: 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 21:13 did gyre and gimble: So? it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on / I don't understand what point you're trying to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 12:40 +, Philippe Reynes a écrit : Hi all, If you talk about this page : http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policys[]=updates[]=policy I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand where is the issue with this page and e17. Ok

[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging

2011-10-31 Thread Philippe Reynes
Ok so there is a bug to fix in e17, what do you do ? I report it to upstream team (on irc or on the ML) Or a security issue like the one I found ( and that should be fixed I hope soon, after reporting it 3 times upstream ). Same way, report it upstream. If upstream don't fix a bug (or

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread Thomas Backlund
Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07: Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit : I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on udev might run... well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd specific) is using all of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 19:06 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit : Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07: Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit : I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on udev might run... well, thinking some more

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble: Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07: Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit : I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on udev might run... well, thinking some more

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
[Sorry for multiple replies, missed this bit in the last one :s] 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble: But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: I cant be bothered to fix things properly so I just call it depreceated... and go ahead and break things

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread Thomas Backlund
Colin Guthrie skrev 31.10.2011 19:54: [Sorry for multiple replies, missed this bit in the last one :s] 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble: But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: I cant be bothered to fix things properly so I just call it

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 13:16:55 schreef Manuel Hiebel: [...] ##Package with more than 3 bugs: 2392, 3200, 3198;chromium-browser 2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;desktop-common-data 1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;evolution 1857, 1721, 2937;f-spot 942, 1483, 2628;gdm 416, 2888, 1759, 2121;grub

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 19:01 did gyre and gimble: Colin Guthrie skrev 31.10.2011 19:47: Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge. Yes, this is exactly what is intended, but it depends on the use case: Then I have misread something somewhere along the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:19:13 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 20:37:14, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 13:16:55 schreef Manuel Hiebel: [...] ##Package with more than 3 bugs: 2392, 3200, 3198;chromium-browser 2249, 2740, 3199, 2449,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread D.Morgan
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Maarten Vanraes maar...@rmail.be wrote: Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:19:13 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 20:37:14, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 13:16:55 schreef Manuel Hiebel: [...] ##Package with more than

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan: [...] But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser, we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package instead why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too. what about dropping all

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble: Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan: [...] But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser, we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package instead why ? i

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread D.Morgan
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble: Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan: [...] But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser, we should

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 22:06:25 schreef Colin Guthrie: [...] For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be maintained by a core team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not a bad thing per-se!). I'm

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Claire Robinson
On 31/10/11 21:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 22:06:25 schreef Colin Guthrie: [...] For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be maintained by a core team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this

Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 16:56 +, Philippe Reynes a écrit : So, yes, there isn't any way to manage bug/security issue in a very easy way when upstream team don't provide stable tarball. So, what is the mageia policy in this case ? no packaging at all ? private packaging ? So far,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 21:06 +, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble: Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan: [...] But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser, we should just

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Manuel Hiebel
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 21:06 +, Colin Guthrie a écrit : I think the attempts to get more official partnerships by Samuel and yourself are very valuable, but by the same token, I think we need to accept that having a single maintainer for some packages just doens't make sense. For

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 31/10/11 21:44 did gyre and gimble: Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 21:06 +, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble: Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan: [...] But seriously, if we

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 22:16 +, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 31/10/11 21:44 did gyre and gimble: Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 21:06 +, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble: Op maandag 31

Re: [Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs

2011-10-31 Thread nicolas vigier
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote: I certainly don't expect a package maintained by a team to be marked as nobody (well, certainly not longer term). But again, I think even allocating a gatekeeper or a team leader puts too many social pressures on that person, and imposes something of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing

2011-10-31 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:17:15 -0400, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: What is the usable feature ? To be able to put some kind of quota on /usr ? To be able to use a different fs for / and /usr ? I once ran into the situation where installing a package succeeded, but caused the /