Oddly enough, I have four machines running Mageia - starting with a
fresh Mageia 1 install and updating to Cauldron (keeping old /home from
Mandriva)
Every time I have tried systemd - something breaks - mostly sound and/or
networking (eth0) - When I disable allow interface to be controlled by
2011/10/30 Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net:
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
and have found the easiest solution is to fallback to sysvinit (so long
that it works!)
You can have a look here: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2982
Cheers,
R.Fox
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 09:38 did gyre and gimble:
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
Honestly I've mentioned this so many times now it's getting ridiculous.
It's been covered about half a dozen times on this list and I have a few
bugs opened
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 11:29 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 09:38 did gyre and gimble:
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
Honestly I've mentioned this so many times now it's getting ridiculous.
It's been covered about
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 11:52 did gyre and gimble:
Sorry Colin - wasn't trying to irk you.
Yeah I know, sorry for being grumpy. I do appreciate we need to handle
pam.d stuff better but I've tried raising this discussion a few times
and no-ones really doing anything about it :(
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 12:16 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 11:52 did gyre and gimble:
Sorry Colin - wasn't trying to irk you.
Yeah I know, sorry for being grumpy. I do appreciate we need to handle
pam.d stuff better but I've tried raising this
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 12:27 did gyre and gimble:
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 12:16 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 11:52 did gyre and gimble:
Sorry Colin - wasn't trying to irk you.
Yeah I know, sorry for being grumpy. I do appreciate we
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote:
Oddly enough, I have four machines running Mageia - starting with a
fresh Mageia 1 install and updating to Cauldron (keeping old /home from
Mandriva)
Every time I have tried systemd - something breaks - mostly sound
'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 30/10/11 12:47 did gyre and gimble:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote:
Oddly enough, I have four machines running Mageia - starting with a
fresh Mageia 1 install and updating to Cauldron (keeping old /home from
Mandriva)
'Twas brillig, and philippe makowski at 27/10/11 20:13 did gyre and gimble:
2011/10/13 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com:
Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a écrit :
what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new
2011/10/13 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com:
Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a écrit :
what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
having to modify packages.
hum
an how to manage sockets ?
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
philippe makowski makowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
some doc from Fedora for packaging :
Le 14/10/2011 08:53, Shlomi Fish a écrit :
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
philippe makowskimakowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
some doc from Fedora for packaging :
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 14/10/11 08:51 did gyre and gimble:
Le 14/10/2011 08:53, Shlomi Fish a écrit :
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
philippe makowskimakowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native systemd
'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 14/10/11 07:53 did gyre and gimble:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
philippe makowski makowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
some doc from Fedora
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:51:00 +0200
Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 14/10/2011 08:53, Shlomi Fish a écrit :
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
philippe makowskimakowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide
Hello Colin,
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:35:07 +0100
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 14/10/11 07:53 did gyre and gimble:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
philippe makowski makowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
how and when will we make the
On 13/10/11 14:26, Michael Altizer wrote:
On 10/13/2011 05:29 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and
gimble:
Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a écrit :
what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
Those macros will have to
2011/10/12 Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com:
Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
by default.
;)
ok
so let me express this another way :
are we taking the decision to have mandatory move from SysV initscript
to systemd unit file for our packages that
philippe makowski skrev 13.10.2011 09:58:
2011/10/12 Thierry Vignaudthierry.vign...@gmail.com:
Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
by default.
;)
ok
so let me express this another way :
are we taking the decision to have mandatory move from SysV initscript
2011/10/13 Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org:
No, it's not mandatory.
(but yes we forced it for now on Cauldron to get more systemd testers)
For Mageia 2 we will support both initscripts and systemd
ok
any howto available ?
where do we put systemd files ?
is %{_unitdir} the correct place ?
Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a écrit :
2011/10/13 Thomas Backlundt...@mageia.org:
No, it's not mandatory.
(but yes we forced it for now on Cauldron to get more systemd testers)
For Mageia 2 we will support both initscripts and systemd
ok
any howto available ?
no
where do we put
'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 06:08 did gyre and gimble:
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:08:48 +0800, Thierry Vignaud
thierry.vign...@gmail.com寫道:
On 12 October 2011 21:00, philippe makowski
makowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native
what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
having to modify packages.
???
is there in cauldron a spec that already implemented the move from
initscripts to systemd ?
Not really moved from initscripts,
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:23:57 +0800, Colin Guthrie
mag...@colin.guthr.ie寫道:
Then you need to check systemd-loginctl to see if your user is listed.
If it's not then that is the primary problem. If you are not listed,
then you need say which DM you use (e.g. gdm or kdm) and we can take it
further.
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and gimble:
Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a écrit :
what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
having to modify packages.
'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 10:28 did gyre and gimble:
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:23:57 +0800, Colin Guthrie
mag...@colin.guthr.ie寫道:
Then you need to check systemd-loginctl to see if your user is listed.
If it's not then that is the primary problem. If you are not listed,
then you need
Le 13/10/2011 11:29, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and gimble:
Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a écrit :
what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours,
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:33:22 +0800, Colin Guthrie
mag...@colin.guthr.ie寫道:
Well that is the problem. That combination works for me (or did when I
last tested it a while ago). It'll be a pam issue in some capacity. Make
sure you have the systemd registration in the relevant pam.d file used
(I
'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:33:22 +0800, Colin Guthrie
mag...@colin.guthr.ie寫道:
Well that is the problem. That combination works for me (or did when I
last tested it a while ago). It'll be a pam issue in some capacity. Make
sure you
On 10/13/2011 05:29 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and gimble:
Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a écrit :
what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours,
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:20:59 +0800, Colin Guthrie
mag...@colin.guthr.ie寫道:
Hmm, OK, but the question is, where did it go? This should have been in
the system-auth.rpmnew file... perhaps you purged it before without
properly resolving it?
Col
I discovered that I foolishly modified
'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 17:29 did gyre and gimble:
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:20:59 +0800, Colin Guthrie
mag...@colin.guthr.ie寫道:
Hmm, OK, but the question is, where did it go? This should have been in
the system-auth.rpmnew file... perhaps you purged it before without
properly
Hi,
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
some doc from Fedora for packaging :
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd
On 12 October 2011 21:00, philippe makowski makowski.mag...@gmail.com wrote:
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
by default.
在 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:08:48 +0800, Thierry Vignaud
thierry.vign...@gmail.com寫道:
On 12 October 2011 21:00, philippe makowski makowski.mag...@gmail.com
wrote:
how and when will we make the move ?
should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
Would you have tried to
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 16:37 +0200, Olivier Blin a écrit :
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org writes:
People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
the last minute. Rtp was not really fond
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, D.Morgan wrote:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble:
Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D
Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a
Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org writes:
People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded
system either.
Do you have more
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote:
Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall
sysvinit? Isn't it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for
/sbin/init?
This is actually a great idea! A
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 14/07/11 23:40 did gyre and gimble:
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie
mailto:mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use
it now as we are quite early in the
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble:
Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D
Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a problem where
bluetoothd does not start but I'll solve that one at some point (it was
a problem when I last used systemd
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble:
Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D
Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a problem where
bluetoothd does not start but
Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 à 22:47 -0300, Eugeni Dodonov a écrit :
Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the
same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would
provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
Firstly, systemdrequires udev = 172, what is the policy to update it?
According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone
objects if I grab/update it as well?
Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 06:25, Christiaan Welvaart
c...@daneel.dyndns.orgwrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
Firstly, systemdrequires udev = 172, what is the policy to update it?
According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does
anyone
objects if I
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 14/07/11 02:47 did gyre and gimble:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie
mailto:mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:
If nobody objects, I could help
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use
it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my
machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:26:37 +0100, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use
systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
- easy way, only having it packaged, but not
providing/obsoleting/conflicting with
2011/7/14 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com
As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.
This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to
networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.
NetworkManger is the only sane way
Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net writes:
2011/7/14 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com
As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.
This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to
networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:04, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote:
Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net writes:
2011/7/14 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com
As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and
networkmanager.
This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie writes:
Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a
package? In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to
enable/disable systemd, but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All
services which want to support systemd only need
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote:
Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall
sysvinit? Isn't it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for
/sbin/init?
This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives,
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:37, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org wrote:
On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:08:17 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
[...]
This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses
keyfile
plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the
moment)
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:
If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a
large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 22:47, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote:
Firstly, systemdrequires udev = 172, what is the policy to update it?
According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone
objects if I grab/update it as well?
(I forgot to mention that it is
Hi there
Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an
interesting item: systemd
Bug report to follow discussion and history:
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120
We need points of view, the way we could integrate it if we decide to
go, planning (I guess it would need
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:11, Anne nicolas enn...@mageia.org wrote:
Hi there
Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an
interesting item: systemd
Bug report to follow discussion and history:
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120
We need points of view, the way
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Eugeni Dodonov eug...@dodonov.net wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:11, Anne nicolas enn...@mageia.org wrote:
Hi there
Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an
interesting item: systemd
Bug report to follow discussion and history:
On Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:15:18 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
[...]
Comments, proposals, shout ?
If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large
experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing
traditional sysvinit alternative.
I don't have any
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:38, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org wrote:
On Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:15:18 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
[...]
Comments, proposals, shout ?
If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a
large
experience on how to integrate systemd into the
'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:
If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a
large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without
killing traditional sysvinit alternative.
It would also be extremely interested
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