Re: [Mailman-Developers] REST API call for creating archive view?

2013-11-07 Thread Colin Fleming
Ok, thanks Barry, I'll take a closer look at IArchiver then. I've seen a little info about it but I'm not on a development machine at the moment (moving cities) so I'll look when I get a chance. Thanks, Colin On 8 November 2013 04:15, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Nov 07, 2013, at 02:50 PM, Colin F

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > > Then wait for the final cut before submitting patches... The only reason there is a patch is because someone (ahem, cough cough) implemented a trial spec into a production email address used to send email to a spam fighting mailinglist whic

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Jim Popovitch" > To: "Franck Martin" > Cc: Mailman-Developers@python.org > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:59:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you > think!) > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Franck Mart

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > > - Original Message - >> From: "Jim Popovitch" >> To: Mailman-Developers@python.org >> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:49:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you >> think!) >> >> On

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Jim Popovitch" > To: Mailman-Developers@python.org > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:49:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you > think!) > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > > To be n

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread J. Trent Adams
Jim - On 11/7/13 3:27 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:12 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote: >> should provide an option to participate in as secure communication as >> possible. > Randomly applying security distinctions, to RFC de'jour, is not really > helping. Well, here we disag

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:12 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote: > should provide an option to participate in as secure communication as > possible. Randomly applying security distinctions, to RFC de'jour, is not really helping. If you want true message security, then PGP/GPG is the only universal way.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread J. Trent Adams
Jim - On 11/7/13 12:58 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote: [snip] > Now we're left participating on mailing lists using personal mail > accounts. As you can imagine, that makes many departments in the > organization really nervous for a variety of obv

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote: > > Jim - > > On 10/20/13 4:17 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Having read the archives, I see that (at least 6 of) you are aware of >> DMARC, or as I like to call it YAPFS. (Yet Another Panacea For Spam) >> :-) > > Heh - If only DMARC

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > To be noted, the procedure, in this patch, to find the policy record in the > DNS, is not in line with the best current practice specified in the DMARC > spec, far from it. Care to offer some insight? > Also, what about p=quarantine? I thin

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread J. Trent Adams
Jim - On 10/20/13 4:17 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > Hello, > > Having read the archives, I see that (at least 6 of) you are aware of > DMARC, or as I like to call it YAPFS. (Yet Another Panacea For Spam) > :-) Heh - If only DMARC was as successful at stopping spam as it is in shutting down spoofed

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Franck Martin
Yes this is one of the other options to do. The last one is to do Original Authentication Header, but transitive trust on email is complicated. To be noted, the procedure, in this patch, to find the policy record in the DNS, is not in line with the best current practice specified in the DMARC sp

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Andreas Schulze" > To: mailman-developers@python.org > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:28:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you > think!) > > > Zitat von Jim Popovitch : > > > ... that mailing lists, li

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman DMARC Support (it's not what you think!)

2013-11-07 Thread Andreas Schulze
Zitat von Jim Popovitch : ... that mailing lists, like MTAs, have no business modifying the From header; I fully agree with these opinions an like to add "should not modify the messagebody" nor should mailing lists accept mail that they knowingly can't reflect. "reflect" is a really good

Re: [Mailman-Developers] REST API call for creating archive view?

2013-11-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 07, 2013, at 02:50 PM, Colin Fleming wrote: >I'm interested in using Mailman to set up a mailing list for my product. >I'd like to have it be fully integrated into my website, so I'm planning to >use Mailman 3 and the REST API. I've checked out mailman.client and poked >around, and also loo