Re: [Mailman-Developers] New RFC on using DKIM with MLMs

2011-10-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> >> From Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py: >> >> >> >>msg['X-Mailman-Version'] = mm_cfg.VERSION >> >> >> >> Seems to add the product version and not the User-Agent. >> > >> >Yes, but a User-Agent, header would have the product and

Re: [Mailman-Developers] New RFC on using DKIM with MLMs

2011-10-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 27, 2011, at 02:29 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: >The message that I'm replying to carried this header: >X-Beenthere: mailman-developers@python.org Note that I responded in the context of Mailman 3. We have an opportunity there to clean that all up, but it probably isn't a good idea to radical

[Mailman-Developers] Mailman headers (was Re: New RFC on using DKIM with MLMs)

2011-10-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
Right, sorry. I was in a hurry when I wrote my follow up, so let me provide more detail about the headers, and my thoughts about the X-iness. In general, Mailman should "play nice" but I also think it's not unreasonable to claim the Mailman-* prefix and just start using it for Mailman-specific he

[Mailman-Developers] Fw: [uds-announce] Design Theater Design sessions at UDS

2011-10-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
Is there any particular design issue you'd like me to raise for the Mailman 3 web ui or archive ui? There isn't much time to put this together, but I'm willing to do that if there's something worthwhile to have them discuss. If not, I might bring up a MM2 archive issue perhaps. -Barry Begin for

Re: [Mailman-Developers] New RFC on using DKIM with MLMs

2011-10-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:41 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >There's movement afoot to deprecate use of "X-" in header field names. Just >call it "Mailman-Topic". And if it's worthwhile, consider registering it >with IANA. I wonder if we should remove the X- prefixes for Mailman 3. Here's a list

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Bug 869317] Re: Mailman startup script missing --force option.

2011-10-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 14, 2011, at 06:21 PM, Stephen A. Goss wrote: >The patch I uploaded doesn't really fix the problem. With that patch, >if there is a stale lock file, it raises an AttributeError, then if you >run with --force, you get a different error, and then if you try again >without the --force option i

Re: [Mailman-Developers] New RFC on using DKIM with MLMs

2011-10-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 12, 2011, at 02:46 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >The IETF recently issued an RFC, with BCP status, regarding interaction >between DKIM and MLMs. It seems like this community might be interested. > >http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6377.txt > >Long ago I mentioned on this list that the IETF was

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hello

2011-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Felipe, On Sep 27, 2011, at 02:20 PM, Felipe Gasper wrote: > I’ve done UI development for cPanel, Inc. for the past couple years. I’m > fluent with Perl and JS/CSS/HTML/etc. I messed with Python a tiny bit about > 8 years ago; I’m hoping to beef up my skills in that area as part of helping > o

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Bug 860159] Re: Mailman 3.0 support for Postgres

2011-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 26, 2011, at 09:11 PM, Dan MacNeil wrote: >Foreign key constraints are available in sqlite 3.6.19 and above. They are >turned off by default. They can be enabled with: > > PRAGMA foreign_keys = ON; > >More details at: > http://www.sqlite.org/foreignkeys.html Thanks.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Bug 860159] Re: Mailman 3.0 support for Postgres

2011-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Stephen A. Goss wrote: >I've attached a branch with the Postgres support code that I've cooked >up. Fantastic, thanks! Do be sure to add a merge proposal. >3. There is now an alternate mailman_pg.sql file which is used to create >the tables. Currently, two foreign

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Announce] wiki.list.org license has been renewed

2011-07-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 29, 2011, at 09:23 AM, Bradley Dean wrote: >On 29/07/11 04:56, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> I haven't heard much about the Moin conversion lately, but hopefully that >> will >> happen before the next time our license runs out. > >Still working through it - sor

[Mailman-Developers] wiki.list.org license has been renewed

2011-07-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
I think I've managed to get our Confluence license renewed, so those of you with write privileges to wiki.list.org should be able to save pages again. If not, please let me know. I haven't heard much about the Moin conversion lately, but hopefully that will happen before the next time our license

Re: [Mailman-Developers] tomorrow - discussion on how / where to implement ACL

2011-07-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 20, 2011, at 05:32 PM, Benedict Stein wrote: >Hi, >this IRC meeting will be about implementation of ACL which i do need for >the mailmanwebUI. >Everyone who is interested in this topic might be join the discussion on >IRC tomorrow. > >https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tm

Re: [Mailman-Developers] FW: A subscribe link, ATT Mark Sapiro

2011-07-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 19, 2011, at 08:42 AM, Clayton Brown wrote: >I understand your comments below and suspected such an answer. > >Let me ask you this, you know what our needs are. > >I we were to ask you to code/modify mailman to our needs, would you do this? It's something that I think would be an interesti

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 15, 2011, at 09:23 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >A configurable reply could provide a hint along the 550 like this: > >550 See: http://list.example.com/550/listname > >The listname ressource could inform why the list was retired e.g. because it >was relocated or closed or where to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 13, 2011, at 04:51 PM, Paul Wise wrote: >By bounce I meant SMTP-time rejection, sounds like the LMTP stuff >provides that (and mailman 2 doesn't use that IIRC). Correct. >Temporarily failing lists were not an objective. Cool, I think we're agreed on that. >The design of list objects see

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 13, 2011, at 01:34 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Barry Warsaw writes: > > > But maybe the OP has a different use case in mind and we could have a need > > for > > both a long-term, permanently failing retired lists, and shorter term, > > temporarily fail

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 12, 2011, at 08:52 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable (e.g., mailbox > not found, no access, or command rejected for policy reasons) > > Codes in

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 12, 2011, at 01:06 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: >Bouncing certainly is suboptimal, since it may create collateral spam. Better >to reject the message at SMTP time with a 5xx response than to bounce. That's an interesting take on it. The LMTP server in Mailman could reject messages addressed to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 11, 2011, at 06:37 PM, Paul Wise wrote: >With our current setup the disabled (or "graveyarded") list is removed >from the /var/lib/mailman/lists dir and the aliases regenerated, so >the MTA bounces messages to it and the admin interface for it cannot >be logged into. Disabled lists are list

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Install problems for mailman-3.0.0a7 on Debian Squeeze

2011-07-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 07, 2011, at 08:54 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Pavel Šimerda wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be nice to have some more reasonable way to present this >> info to the user? > >Agreed. > >Does distutils have the equivalent of autoconf for checking for >dependencies before sta

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: less generic names for scripts in $PATH?

2011-07-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Paul Wise wrote: >I was looking at Mailman 3 to see how many of the Indymedia patches >for Mailman 2 would be still needed. > >The first thing that struck me was how generic the files that were >installed in $PATH. I would really recommend mm-master, mm-runner, >mm-on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:22 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >For the Indymedia Mailman 2 install, we have a patch that allowed list >disabling (and later re-enabling). Disabled lists had their >settings/archives saved, did not accept mail and were listed on a >separate page to listinfo. For a long-lived large

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MailMan Usage

2011-06-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 26, 2011, at 01:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 6/26/2011 4:55 AM, Aamir Khan wrote: >> >> I would like to dedicate a email lets say h...@example.com where you can >> send emails and depending upon the Text written inside the Mail..(doing some >> Regexp matching)...I have to call different a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.x Virtual Hosting

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Pavel, thanks for writing this up for the benefit of other users. I just want to comment on one thing. On Jun 24, 2011, at 03:06 PM, Pavel Šimerda wrote: >First thing that surprised me is that Mailman doesn't support virtual >hosting. The second one was that documentation claimes it does. Eve

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 21, 2011, at 09:43 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: >No, you need to be able to unsubscribe without logging in. A mailback >mechanism should be usable. I can't tell you how irritating it is that I >can't do this on Apache mailing lists, where I'm subscribed using an address >that I can't send email f

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 20, 2011, at 07:04 PM, Andrew wrote: >I am sure very free software developer has the Mailman mailing list web page >imprinted into their mind, however after looking at it for the thousandth >time, I thought that there is a lot of uneeded information on a page where >there doesn't need to be

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman GSoC] Archive UI Web Framework

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 24, 2011, at 08:16 AM, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >I don't know that much about the various ORM schemes. Could someone explain >why the STORM is preferred to the Django ORM or that used in Pylons? I like Storm because it's a lightweight layer on top of dbapi and SQL. There's not much guess

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman GSoC] Archive UI Web Framework

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Dushyant Bansal wrote: >I was looking for a web framework for Pipermail UI. I have decided to use >Pylons. Anna and benste wanted to know the reasons for choosing pylons over >Django (As benste is already using Django for mailman WebUI). So, I thought I >should discu

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman GSoC] Archive UI Web Framework

2011-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 24, 2011, at 09:49 AM, Nahuel ANGELINETTI wrote: >There is some modifications that have not yet been pushed to the repository. >I will when I get time. > >If you are interested I can integrate your patches, and explain how it works. >I'm on freenode IRC server. Perhaps you can post that he

[Mailman-Developers] Change to MM3 REST API

2011-06-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi everyone. This is just a quick heads up, especially for the folks working on the Django web ui or other REST API clients for Mailman 3, that I've made a change to the API. The IMailingList attribute ``host_name`` has been changed to ``mail_host`` for consistency. (LP: #787599) This change is

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Bug 283751] Re: feature request: fetch archived emails

2011-06-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 13, 2011, at 07:22 PM, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >This seems "out of place" for MM, per se. Providing this material is >something that is intimately tied to the archiver. > >As I see it, the only thing that MM can do is to provide a "pass thru" >conduit to whatever archiver the installatio

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Analysis of MM3 Issues on FreeBSD

2011-06-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 14, 2011, at 02:31 PM, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >A) Changing to "include-site-packages = true" in line 9 of buildout.cfg fixes >the problem. However, bug LP: #659231 introduced the exclusion for another >reason. It is my opinion that the fix to 659231 by disabling site-packages is >funda

Re: [Mailman-Developers] FreeBSD 8.2, Python2.7, Exim-4 and MM3

2011-06-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 08, 2011, at 04:20 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >Is a valid MX record a MUST for this project? > >My test box is inside a 2Mbps symmetric connection from anywhere (USofA, etc) >but it does not have a valid MX record. Will that do? If it must have, then >I will need to register a domain n

Re: [Mailman-Developers] FreeBSD 8.2, Python2.7, Exim-4 and MM3

2011-06-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 02, 2011, at 09:10 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >I manage several machines (FreeBSD of course) all of which use Exim as the >MTA. I'd like to know what sort of conditions you attach to this requirement >(for a spare machine). The only downside is that bandwidth is still not >cheap in KE

Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject)

2011-06-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Arnaud, On Jun 07, 2011, at 11:55 AM, arnaud.le-...@voila.fr wrote: >I've just installed mailman 3 : as my goal is to use it with the REST >interface or custom scripts, I'd like to get a good grasp of how it is >working. So, I'm trying to use it in interactive mode as in the package >documenta

Re: [Mailman-Developers] ACL in Mailman - what's you opinion

2011-06-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 27, 2011, at 04:35 PM, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >I do not understand why "published over completely trusted channels" "means >only on localhost". When two machines are involved, you have to be able to >trust both of them, but they don't have to be the same machine. In addition, >you wil

Re: [Mailman-Developers] FreeBSD 8.2, Python2.7, Exim-4 and MM3

2011-06-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Nigel, On May 30, 2011, at 09:10 AM, Nigel Metheringham wrote: >So to make this more generic:- > - how can an external process detect configured lists? >- preferably in a relatively non-active fashion - ie looking at > the filesystem >- if needed by running something to say if li

Re: [Mailman-Developers] FreeBSD 8.2, Python2.7, Exim-4 and MM3

2011-05-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
I traded a few emails with Odhiambo before I suggested sending a query here. I have a FreeBSD VM, but don't really know much about the OS. On May 28, 2011, at 02:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >Now, when I invoke `bin/mailman info`, this is what I get: ... >raise DatabaseModuleError("'pysq

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposal for a new menu grouping in MM3 webUI

2011-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 27, 2011, at 05:26 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >More than just "cool to have": it would enable people to write more >tests for the test suite, which in turn makes developers more confident >in undertaking aggressive re-factorings without fear of breakage. That >would be a Good Thing. M

Re: [Mailman-Developers] NNTP gateway proposal

2011-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Joshua, It's been a long time since I looked at the details of the NNTP gateway, so most of my knowledge is probably pretty dated. I know this Message-ID issue is pretty annoying though. On May 24, 2011, at 02:41 PM, Joshua Cranmer wrote: >So, one of my most annoying problems with mailman is

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposal for a new menu grouping in MM3 webUI

2011-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 24, 2011, at 03:11 PM, C Nulk wrote: >I don't know if this is the place to mention it but along with increased >accessibility to statistics and archives, the ability to look at or >review the logging information is also very important. Anywhere in the >code that output's to a log file shou

[Mailman-Developers] sievelib and Modoboa

2011-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi folks, I wanted to point you at two very cool looking tools that Antoine Nguyen has developed, and introduced to me by Patrick Ben Koetter. I haven't had time to look into these in detail, but if you're looking for some fun hacking ideas for Mailman 3, these could fit the bill. The first is s

Re: [Mailman-Developers] ACL in Mailman - what's you opinion

2011-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi benste, On May 27, 2011, at 05:46 PM, Benedict Stein wrote: >wacky and i discussed a few things about how to implement ACL within the >Mailman3 parts. >I've wrote a small Blogpost about it in >http://benste.blogspot.com/2011/05/mailman-3-restapi-webui-acl.html > >just in case you want to contr

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposal for a new menu grouping in MM3 webUI

2011-05-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 24, 2011, at 01:39 PM, Benedict Stein wrote: >1. Digest → volume : >Do you really need this internal value to be displayed in the >WebUI ? I think this would only be useful information wherever you had a control to explicitly start a new volume. What might actually be interesting is t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] GnuPG support

2011-05-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 24, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Barry Warsaw writes: > > > My own inclination is that most sites won't need this, > >FWIW, I disagree. Much of the world is moving in the direction of >personal IDs, perhaps backed up by an organization (eg, Open

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [GSoC] And they're off!

2011-05-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 24, 2011, at 03:22 AM, Terri Oda wrote: >Our summer of code students officially started coding on Monday, and they're >already working hard! > >Those of you interested in following what they're doing more closely should >check out their blogs: Impressive! -Barry signature.asc Descriptio

Re: [Mailman-Developers] GnuPG support

2011-05-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 22, 2011, at 01:10 PM, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: >I have a feature idea: GnuPG encryption and signing. > >What do you think? It's an idea which has been floating around for many years, and as you've seen there are tentative patches in that direction. My own take on the matter is that I t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Apache configuration: Web Interface for archives in mm3

2011-05-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: >Since UpLib can also process photos, Web pages, Powerpoint decks, Word, >PDF, etc., it can display attachments next to the mail message as >thumbnails with links to the attachment document. It's a tad tricky to >display those documents -- for yea

Re: [Mailman-Developers] List Administration Manual r2.1

2011-05-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 13, 2011, at 01:01 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier KF7BMP wrote: >Good enough for government work. Now to add some content. Thanks C.J. for taking this on, and thanks Mark for helping out with the old doc toolset. For Mailman 3, we are using the reStructuredText format and Sphinx tools. I wouldn

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Apache configuration: Web Interface for archives in mm3

2011-05-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 15, 2011, at 06:15 PM, Benedict Stein wrote: >Did i understand something incorrectly or is the Django UI only a config >website ? That is currently the case, yes. >Why don't we have all UI parts within the Django project (which I'll support >during gsoc ;-)) It's a good question. There

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Apache configuration: Web Interface for archives in mm3

2011-05-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
Welcome Dushyant and our other GSoC students! BTW, I was mostly off-line last week attending the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Budapest. I'm back now so you can ping me on IRC if you want to chat. On May 15, 2011, at 06:03 PM, Dushyant Bansal wrote: >I am a gsoc candidate with mailman. I'll be wor

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Converting the Mailman wiki

2011-05-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Bradley, On May 06, 2011, at 02:22 PM, Bradley Dean wrote: >I'm part of the new group that John Sullivan of the FSF has brought together >to look at migrating the Mailman wiki from Confluence to MoinMoin. Excellent! >We've all just been introduced to each other so we're still very much at th

[Mailman-Developers] RELEASED: Mailman 3.0 alpha 7

2011-04-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
I am very happy to announce the release of the seventh alpha for Mailman 3.0, code named "Mission". Here are some of the highlights of a release with lots of new stuff (a more detailed NEWS.txt file excerpt is below). * Significant improvements to the subscription model. Users can now subscribe

[Mailman-Developers] Call for volunteers: convert wiki to Moin

2011-04-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
For many years, Atlassian has provided the GNU Mailman project with free (as in beer) wiki hosting on their proprietary platform. This has included a free license, free hosting, and free support. We are very grateful to them for this, as our wiki contains lots of useful information that help you,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Welcome to our Google Summer of Code Students!

2011-04-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 27, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Benedict Stein wrote: >If someone else would write a how-to install mailman3.0 it would be >brilliant. I'm planning to write up some docs on this before I release alpha 7. -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Welcome to our Google Summer of Code Students!

2011-04-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 27, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Adam McGreggor wrote: >On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:02:58AM -0400, Terri Oda wrote: >> * Benedict Stein (benste on IRC) will be working to complete the GSoC >> work Anna did last summer on the django-based web UI for Mailman 3.0. > >'Complete' sounds interesting. Is t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Welcome to our Google Summer of Code Students!

2011-04-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 27, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Terri Oda wrote: >I hope you'll all join me in welcoming our new Google Summer of Code >students: > >* Benedict Stein (benste on IRC) will be working to complete the GSoC work >* Anna did last summer on the django-based web UI for Mailman 3.0. > >* Drew Rodman will be

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] [Branch ~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1] Rev 1297: A new list poster password has been implemented. This password may only

2011-04-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Apr 25, 2011, at 06:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Thanks for the comment. I initially did just what you suggest, but I >decided that was being more careful than necessary and esthetically, I >liked it better this way. But, I didn't consider that som

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] [Branch ~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1] Rev 1297: A new list poster password has been implemented. This password may only

2011-04-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Mark, Thanks for taking care of these (as always!). I have one quick comment. On Apr 26, 2011, at 01:00 AM, nore...@launchpad.net wrote: > >revno: 1297 >committer: Mark Sapiro >branch nick: 2.1 >timestamp: Mon 2011-04-25 16:52:35 -

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Google Summer of Code

2011-04-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 03, 2011, at 01:33 PM, Andrew Rodman wrote: >Hello, my name is Andrew Rodman and I'm a college student looking to get >involved in your Mailman mailing list manager through Google's Summer of >Code. This is my first year investigating the program and I'm unsure about >the steps I need to ta

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interested Google Summer of Code Student

2011-03-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 31, 2011, at 09:49 AM, Nahuel ANGELINETTI wrote: >When mailman3 will be released? I expect the core engine will go into beta fairly soon. Depending on how GSoC goes, I might wait until after the summer so that student's work can help influence the final release. -Barry signature.asc De

[Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman in the 2011 Google Summer of Code

2011-03-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi everyone, We're going to be participating in the Google Summer of Code again this year, but this time, under the Python Software Foundation's banner. Here's our wiki page for GSoC ideas, mentors, and students: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Google+Summer+of+Code+2011 and the PSF page with

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Interested Google Summer of Code Student

2011-03-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 16, 2011, at 09:54 PM, Matthew Brunelle wrote: >Hello, I'm a high school senior from Rhode Island. I'm interested in >working on Mail Man for the Google Summer of Code. I was wondering >where I would best be able to help out. I had looked on the ideas >list

[Mailman-Developers] Wiki downtime

2011-01-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
Our hosting provider is going to upgrade our wiki instance. There may be a short amount of downtime. Apologies for any inconvenience. -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org h

[Mailman-Developers] Bounce processing in MM3

2011-01-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
One of the last major subsystems that I need to get working in Mailman 3 is bounce processing. This is different than bounce detection, which has been successfully ported from Mailman 2, but doesn't differ in any significant way. The question I am thinking about now is what to do with a bounce on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Suggestions about Mailman bounce processing

2011-01-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:50 AM, Thomas Hochstein wrote: >"Superticker2 (Mark)" schrieb: > >> If there's a service or utility that can verify a list of email addresses >> (prior to a mass operation), please suggest it. > > is a Perl script to >check the v

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Suggestions about Mailman bounce processing

2011-01-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 28, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>Note that the final decision is Marks (v2.x) or Barry's (v3)q, of >>course. But I tend to think they'll agree with me. > >FWIW, I do agree. As do I for Mailman 3, although I also suspect such behavior will be more easily pluggable for customizat

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Errors installing Mailman 3.0

2010-11-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 20, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jessy Kate wrote: >I'm trying to get mailman 3.0 installed in a fresh virtualenv with python >2.6 on ubuntu 10.04. I've sent messages in the irc channel a few times, but >no response there. Is the channel still an active place to get help? It is, but the traffic is l

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Can i use the Bouncer API a Programm wich is not GPL?

2010-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 05, 2010, at 06:36 PM, Marc Egli wrote: >Ok but i can add a script to Mailman which accepts a path to a mail file, >then reads that file and gives a csv list back. In my application i can exec >this script. The script is under GPL and could bee added to Mailman if anyone >else finds it usef

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Can i use the Bouncer API a Programm wich is not GPL?

2010-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 05, 2010, at 04:01 PM, Marc Egli wrote: >We are building a newsletter application for the django framework. For bounce >detection we want to use the Mailman bouncerAPI because reimplementing would >be a bad idea. Now my question is: can i release my application under a less >restrictive lic

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Help with mailman 3, attempting to build branch

2010-10-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 27, 2010, at 08:09 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >Hi Simon. I can reproduce this with Python2.7 on Ubuntu 10.10. This is >caused by the locknix package, which depends on setuptools_bzr. The issues >you've identified with bzr on Python2.7 are causing the setuptools_bzr >d

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Help with mailman 3, attempting to build branch

2010-10-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 27, 2010, at 01:33 PM, Simon Fraser wrote: >I think the options for me will be "Build a .deb" or "Install Python & >Mailman in their own environment." I asked because our current Mailman >installation is on its own partition, replicated with DRBD, and I was >concerned about being able to c

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Help with mailman 3, attempting to build branch

2010-10-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 27, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Simon Fraser wrote: >I've worked through the bzr install[0] and finally have my own separate >install of Python 2.7 with bzr2.3, just for mailman. However, 2.7 >doesn't appear to work - should I be using Python 2.6 instead? Is there >a way to get it working with 2.7?

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Archives! Two neat demos from my GSoC students

2010-10-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
I'm currently at UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) so I'm not able to look in detail at the moment, but to say I'm psyched would be an understatement! Really awesome work and kudos to everyone involved. I'll play with the demos and provide more feedback when I get back, but in the meantime let me foll

Re: [Mailman-Developers] styiling the archive

2010-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 01, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Federico Vezzoli wrote: >I'm already a user of mailman and it works pretty good. >A client asked me if it's possible to have the archive online and to >integrate it in his website. >So my question is: "Is possible to add some markup and css to the >mailing archive to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] zc.buildout.buildout error message with installing mailman-3.0.0a6

2010-09-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 25, 2010, at 02:41 PM, UUN Hostmaster wrote: >When I try to install mailman-3.0.0a6, I receive the following error >message: > >[r...@host mailman-3.0.0a6]# python2.6 bootstrap.py >Downloading >http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.6/s/setuptools/setuptools-0.6c11-py2.6.egg >[r...@host mailman

[Mailman-Developers] RELEASED: Mailman 3.0 alpha 6

2010-09-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
I happy (and somewhat relieved :) to announce the release of the sixth alpha for Mailman 3.0. There is much new coolness that you will want to explore. The biggest change is that the administrative REST API has been greatly improved and is now reasonably well fleshed out. You can create and dele

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Announce] Mailman security patch.

2010-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 09, 2010, at 06:46 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >The patch is attached. Since it only affects the web CGIs, it can be >applied and will be effective without restarting Mailman, although >since it includes a patch to Utils.py which is imported by the >qrunners, a restart of Mailman is advisable as

[Mailman-Developers] REST server status and MM3.0alpha6 soon

2010-09-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
Just a heads up that I've *finally* managed to wrestle restish, webob, and cgi to the ground and hack in PATCH support for the Mailman 3 REST server. It's a kludge but it works. This was one of the last things I needed to do before I could release 3.0alpha6, so look for that in the next day or so

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Exporting member info (including options)

2010-08-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 12, 2010, at 02:00 PM, Aaron Kreider wrote: >Is there a good way to export all of the member info for a list? Mailman 3 has two related, but incomplete approaches that might provide some useful examples. There is an "export" command that dumps the various configurations to an XML format f

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3 nntp support?

2010-08-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 09, 2010, at 09:58 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >Back in December Barry had mentioned that he was exploring adding nntp >(and IMAP) support to the archives, but didn't clarify much further... >and I googled quite a bit, and these 2 or 3 posts on the subject is all >I could find.: > >> Re: [Mailman-

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman Confluence] Development > Web UI Mockups

2010-08-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 05, 2010, at 06:03 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote: >IMO, it would be nice to: > >* Set one of those as my 'default' address for I rather like the model that Launchpad uses. You have one email address which is your "preferred address" and in all default situations, it uses this. For examp

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 REST API URLs

2010-07-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 20, 2010, at 09:49 PM, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >I think the one-file-per-option interface is the optimal REST >interface because you don't have to cope with some weird format like >JSON or XML or whatever. Just PUT your value there and GET it later >as text/plain. Just like /sys or Plan9 o

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 REST API URLs

2010-07-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 20, 2010, at 04:50 PM, Florian Fuchs wrote: >For example: At the moment an API request >to /3.0/lists/listn...@example.org exposes only some basic list >information. Would it be a good idea to let this URL expose more list >details (i.e. all list settings) or would it be better to have a >d

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [PATCH] for the notorious Sender header

2010-06-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 30, 2010, at 05:14 PM, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >Ah, sorry, seems like I was too quick with my merge proposal. Gnn, now I >have to grok how to supersede it on lp. I'll go and fix it. Just push an update to your existing branch. I believe LP will rescan your branch and update the merge pr

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [PATCH] for the notorious Sender header

2010-06-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 30, 2010, at 04:38 PM, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >On Wednesday 30 June 2010 16:24:07 Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Jun 30, 2010, at 04:07 PM, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >> >Any chance to have my patch applied to 2.1 (and/or 2.2)? I ask >> >because I have to take care

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [PATCH] for the notorious Sender header

2010-06-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 30, 2010, at 04:07 PM, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >Cool. I set the status of bug 266824 to Fix Committed. Thanks. I've targeted that to 3.0a6. >Any chance to have my patch applied to 2.1 (and/or 2.2)? I ask because I >have to take care of some mailing lists on a shared server and I doubt

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [PATCH] for the notorious Sender header

2010-06-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 29, 2010, at 06:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 6/29/2010 6:15 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> It may just be time to ditch the Sender rewriting in Mailman 3. I don't >> think >> a reading of RFC 5322 can justify it, and I'm pretty sure getting bounce &g

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [PATCH] for the notorious Sender header

2010-06-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 29, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >I guess it shouldn't be too hard to whip up a patch for 3.0 as well. I >just wanted to make sure (and start the old discussion again :) if it >should default to On or Off. If I interpret this [2] post from 2006 it >isn't really needed. (H

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman user interface: draft of a mega drop-down navigation

2010-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Terri Oda wrote: >I also reiterate that we need a search option for finding admin options. >There's just too many for average list administrators (who probably use this >part of the interface once a month or less) to remember the hierarchy. Most >people nowadays seem

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman user interface: draft of a mega drop-down navigation

2010-06-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 24, 2010, at 04:23 PM, Claudia Fleiner wrote: >I´m Claudia Fleiner and I work together with Patrick Koetter and Florian >Fuchs. > >Here I will present you our idea of a mega drop-down navigation panelfor the >new Mailman user interface: >http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+UI+Mockups > >A

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 18, 2010, at 01:46 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Barry Warsaw writes: > > > It's an interesting idea, but I'm not quite sure how a webserver pipeline > > would work. The way the list server pipeline works now is by treating > > messages as jobs th

Re: [Mailman-Developers] REST API docs?

2010-06-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 17, 2010, at 12:03 AM, Fil wrote: >How would I query members of list A? >GET 'http://localhost:8001/3.0/members' + A ? In the Bazaar trunk, r6914 , for mailing list al...@example.com, if you want all the subscribed members, you would request: http://localhost:8001/3.0/lists/al...@exam

Re: [Mailman-Developers] REST API docs?

2010-06-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 16, 2010, at 09:56 PM, Fil wrote: >> The way I've been thinking about it has been that the REST interface >> currently >> in the core engine is essentially an unprotected administrative interface. > >I see... > >Another (interesting?) question is how do you encode data esp. if an >email ad

Re: [Mailman-Developers] REST API docs?

2010-06-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 16, 2010, at 09:31 PM, Fil wrote: >I see no mention of access control. Will we use OAuth or something? Well, this is an interesting question . The way I've been thinking about it has been that the REST interface currently in the core engine is essentially an unprotected administrative int

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 16, 2010, at 09:44 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >But IMO the pipeline architecture already does that. I haven't looked >closely at the Mailman 3 webserver, but my understanding is that it >gets a pipeline too. It seems to me that once you have that (and IMHO >that is extremely desirable

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: >Are you saying that no scripts/bots can automatically sign up for >mailman lists? I get plenty of signups like "qneu45...@nanke62w.net" >that suggest otherwise. I should take the time to log those and send >them to you, perhaps? After my maste

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Wiki Editing?

2010-06-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 16, 2010, at 01:10 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote: >I've forgotten who it is who can grant write-access to the wiki, but I >don't appear to have an edit button anywhere (apart from labels). > >Can I have write-perms, please (same email address)? > >(Or would someone put a link to >

Re: [Mailman-Developers] REST API docs?

2010-06-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 13, 2010, at 09:42 PM, Fil wrote: >I've been looking around for a description of the REST API in >Mailman3. Fact is I couldn't wait more and started a REST API for >Mailman2. So, I would like it to be as close as possible to the final >stuff. The documentation on http://packages.python.org

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