Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 13, 2010, at 05:16 PM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: >If there's some other non-CAPTCHA approach (or set of approaches) that >we could use to help reduce spammy signups, then I'm all for it. I >guess my hope is that we'd have something in place that reduces the >signups themselves rather than imp

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Test Server

On Jun 14, 2010, at 09:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> Can we get access to the IMAP folder? > >host: mailman.state-of-mind.de >user: mail...@mailman.state-of-mind.de >pass: hemispheres > >And, please (!), don't use it to trade files... Nice! I'm in. -B signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Test Server

On Jun 14, 2010, at 07:21 PM, Florian Fuchs wrote: >we have set up a test server for the development of the Mailman 3.0 UI. As >coding on the UI progresses we will update it regularly so everybody can see >what's being done. > >For now it contains a simple, experimental Django app I've written to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] spammers harvesting email'ids [was] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 08, 2010, at 11:15 PM, स्वक्ष wrote: >0. Obfuscate the *-owner address on the listinfo page I think we should do something about this in MM3. Instead of displaying the individual owner addresses, we should advertise the -owner address and send the message through the normal Mailman proces

Re: [Mailman-Developers] spammers harvesting email'ids [was] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 08, 2010, at 10:22 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> We can try to make it more difficult to harvest email address from mailing >> list archives and posts, but some of that is fairly difficult without >> disrup

Re: [Mailman-Developers] spammers harvesting email'ids [was] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 08, 2010, at 01:55 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote: >The current "problem", is the order in which MM2 handles its >non-members filters; and I guess what I'd welcome is an ability to >finely control the order in which given rules are processed; I think >that would help immensely. Here's how Mailma

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 07, 2010, at 09:16 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >That would be perfect. Should we all meet before we start working on the new >WUI so we can take the input into consideration right from the start? Although I wouldn't be able to make that in person, please do use the bug tracker to reques

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 06, 2010, at 09:50 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >For this summer (of code) Anna has joined the team and I believe if Barry >manages to do more work on the REST server and IMAP backend - *HINT* *HINT* - >we will soon be able to present an early version of MM3 to test and play with >while w

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 05, 2010, at 07:52 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: >I realise that Mailman 3.x will make it possible to create multiple UIs, >as the functionality will be separated from the UI. However, it is also >my experience that alternate/specialised UIs can and do go unmaintained, >and as such it is my ho

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 06, 2010, at 04:29 PM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: >On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 09:58:12AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> As Barry suggests, setting moderation of new members as the default can >> also thwart the subscribing spammers. > >The ability to use reCAPTCHA or other CAPTCHA systems as pa

Re: [Mailman-Developers] spammers harvesting email'ids [was] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 05, 2010, at 04:21 PM, स्वक्ष wrote: >On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 22:43, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Ian Eiloart wrote: >>> >>>Well, maybe, but I've had to switch on approval for various lists because >>>of subscribing spammers. >> >> >> As Barry suggests, setting moderation of new members as the def

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 04, 2010, at 10:01 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Adam McGreggor wrote: > >>On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 11:12:04AM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> >>> Is it? Aren't most open source discussion lists generally open membership >>> (perhaps with initial mode

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 04, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: >>>2. Admin ability to create/delete lists via pre-defined styles >> >> Note that in my current thinking, it is the site admin who can create >> styles. > >Right, but it would be nice if Mailman came with some styles out of the >box. At least,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 04, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Anna Granudd wrote: >there are some mock-ups on the wiki (see >http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+UI+Mockups) but it'd be great if you >could help with ideas for a nice design and layout! Martin's a rock star, so I'm sure he'll come up with some really nice stuff.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 03, 2010, at 04:37 PM, Richard Leland wrote: >Django's handling of i18n/l10n is well done. You could also use something >like Transifex to encourage contributions in various langs. > >http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/topics/i18n/#topics-i18n >http://www.transifex.net/ We'll probably en

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

On Jun 03, 2010, at 04:56 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote: >I think I may be missing something: "Systers". Is this something >specific? www.systers.org >> The UI will be >> written as an app in Django. Together with my mentor Florian we've discussed >> some general matters regarding the UI and the most

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Listen to or hook into mailman subscription system

On May 27, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Bibek Shrestha wrote: >If i have to hook into user's subscriptions (new/edit/remove) and then >perform specific non mailman related activities, how do I go about it? In Mailman 3 we use the zope.event system to broadcast certain changes. I'm not positive that subscr

[Mailman-Developers] We have a winner!

I am very pleased to announce the winner of the 2010 GNU Mailman logo contest. By an almost 2-to-1 margin, you voted for this logo: http://www.list.org/images/logo2010.jpg Congratulations Andrija Arsic! A little bit about Andrija: originally from Trstenik, Serbia and now studying IT technology

[Mailman-Developers] DKIM and MLMs draft RFC

Hello folks, I wanted to point people to this draft RFC: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dkim-lists/ by Murray S. Kucherawy, addressing DKIM issues related to mailing list managers. Murray has contacted Mark and I, and I'd like to invite your input on this mailing list. -Barry

Re: [Mailman-Developers] installing Mailman 3.0

On May 06, 2010, at 03:16 PM, Jaideep Khandelwal wrote: >Hi >I tried installing Mailman 3.0a5 , over Fedora 12 , I did the following >steps : > >1.) python2.6 bootstrap.py > >It worked successfully > >2.) sudo bin/buildout > >It gets stuck when trying to get the distribution for munepy, I also

Re: [Mailman-Developers] installing Mailman 3.0

On May 05, 2010, at 06:29 PM, Anna Granudd wrote: >I downloaded the latest Mailman branch from Launchpad (using bzr branch >lp:mailman) and tried installing it but ran into some trouble. The commands >I was told to use for the installation were: "python bootstrap.py" followed >by "bin/buildout" an

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Puzzling doubled-period bug

On Apr 12, 2010, at 01:50 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: >I've run into a puzzling problem that I can't yet reproduce: our >Mailman installation sometimes doubles periods in the HTML portion of >a message, sometimes breaking a link or image as a result. Does >anyone recall seeing this before? Like Mar

[Mailman-Developers] Logo contest voting is open!

Hello everyone. Earlier this year, we announced the contest for a new GNU Mailman logo. We received over 30 entries from many talented artists, and we thank all of them for their generous contribution. The Mailman Steering Committee has narrowed the selection down to 5 finalists, and we have ide

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM feature request - spread out the pain

On Apr 05, 2010, at 06:15 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote: >I haven't followed MM3 discussions closely, but if there is some sort of >extension capability or programmatic API it might be useful to provide a >demonstration of how to reproduce the defunct monthly mailing using such an >interface. Yes to b

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM feature request - spread out the pain

On Apr 04, 2010, at 06:34 PM, David Andrews wrote: >At 11:25 PM 4/1/2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>David Andrews writes: >> >> > Some other list software, I believe, has a feature that sends out a >> > canned message once a month, such as list rules. I would like to see >> > this in MM3 >>

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM feature request - spread out the pain

On Apr 02, 2010, at 09:30 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >That's a good point. I think a better way to handle this might be an >Urgent flag (I guess we can't use Precedence for this, unfortunately, >list mail should still be bulk in most cases) accompanied by an >appropriate authentication. Whic

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM feature request - spread out the pain

On Apr 01, 2010, at 11:59 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote: >I realize that getting Mailman to grok more rejection notice formats is a >worthwhile goal, however I think it would also be helpful to spread the pain >of invalid email addresses more evenly through the month, at least across >mailing lists but

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature request for Mailman 3: Ability to perform all admin functions from gmail

On Mar 29, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Brian J Mingus wrote: >I realize many of you will say that gmail is not a proper MUA but that >doesn't weigh on me very heavily since I am otherwise very productive with >it. I am also skilled in Python, although as you can imagine I have a long >todo list. But, if so

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Framework to be used for Mailman 3.0

On Mar 25, 2010, at 05:12 PM, Jaideep Khandelwal wrote: >As GNU Mailman version 3.0 alpha2 is launched and being made compatible with >the other web frameworks , so what would be the preference like Django, >Web2Py or any other ?? Mailman 3 is architected such that it should be easily integrated

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Wiki scheduled downtime

On Mar 01, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >Just a quick announcement to let you know that wiki.list.org is scheduled to >be off-line for upgrades starting at 2200 UTC on Friday, March 19, 2010. >Total downtime is not known, as they will be upgrading us to the latest >versio

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Status?

On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Kovács Zoltán writes: > > > Dear All, do you have some screenshots about the upcoming Mailman3 UI? I > > have been Googling for some time but I didn't got appropriate results. > >If you think screenshots of the UI are important, then Mailma

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Status?

On Mar 22, 2010, at 01:46 PM, Jennifer Redman wrote: >Since Django is being used for the web-interface I'm curious about the >implications for the ORM. Since MM 3.0 is using STORM - do you plan to just >not use the built-in Django ORM and go with STORM - or are you going to wind >up with 2 differ

[Mailman-Developers] Temporary wiki.list.org outage

Hi folks, wiki.list.org may experience some short-term outages as the fine folks at Contegix attempt to upgrade our instance. They originally tried to do it over the weekend, but had some troubles and now want to attempt it again during weekday hours. Thanks, -Barry signature.asc Description:

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Status?

On Mar 19, 2010, at 09:18 AM, Florian Fuchs wrote: >there are still a few things to do but I'm hopeful I can get things ready >over the weekend. My goal is to have a simple django skeleton running that >talks to the rest server in a working MM3-environment. I will update the wiki >with info on wha

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Status?

On Mar 18, 2010, at 06:32 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >The server is up and almost ready to play with. Florian wanted to check a few >things the other day and ping you offlist on this and that. Awesome! -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature _

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Status?

On Mar 17, 2010, at 03:41 PM, Jennifer Redman wrote: >I believe that there was a Code Sprint at Pycon to work on the MM 3.0 UI >(and other items). Is there any place I can go to read about what has been >implemented thus far in MM 3.0 and what features are still outstanding with >regards to MM 3

[Mailman-Developers] Wiki scheduled downtime

Just a quick announcement to let you know that wiki.list.org is scheduled to be off-line for upgrades starting at 2200 UTC on Friday, March 19, 2010. Total downtime is not known, as they will be upgrading us to the latest version and it's a big upgrade. Cheers, -Barry signature.asc Description:

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Announce] New Logo Contest for 2010

On Jan 15, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >Our current GNU Mailman logos were designed by the Dragon De Monsyne many >years ago. They have served us exceedingly well, but with the coming of >Mailman 3, we've decided it's time our logos got a face lift. So we'r

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - Interactive HTML Digests

On Feb 23, 2010, at 01:24 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >The point I'm getting at is, I'd like to see the basic framework for a >new HTML digest added to MM. Barry said he is fine with it as long as it >is done right, and Mark seems to concur. Note that this "basic framework" may be something as simple as

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - Interactive HTML Digests

Just a quick follow up. I am on the daw-mac (digital audio workstation) mailing list at yahoogroups. They do a not horrible job of sending out HTML digests. I will try to put a copy of such a message up on the wiki after sanitizing it so we can look at how they do it. -Barry signature.asc Des

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Auto-reject

On Feb 22, 2010, at 04:43 PM, Jonathan Knight wrote: >I supose what I'm looking for is the auto-reject facility for an >exceeded message size and I notice the same request scattered through >the mail archives. I wonder whether there is an accepted solution for >doing this? It would be fairly eas

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Where to make feature requests for MM3?

On Feb 16, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Benjamin Rahn wrote: >http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/suggestions says to send to this >list, so that doesn't seem quite right :-) I changed that to say "should also" :) -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - Interactive HTML Digests

On Feb 22, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >No. Mark explained how to get that, you need to access the command >line interface and change the list config to add the List-Post header >to the "keep" list. I think that rather than have an option it might >as well be the default to kee

[Mailman-Developers] Sprinting at Pycon

Hi folks. Just a quick note that we're sprinting at Pycon now. If you'd like to participate virtually, we're on IRC at #mailman on freenode. Please ping us to join in! -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Mailman-Developers mailing li

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - Interactive HTML Digests

On Feb 20, 2010, at 01:52 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >I wouldn't have had a clue what you're talking about here, but maybe >you're talking about the Vi-in-Emacs feature Barry mentioned? VM (View Mail) for Emacs: http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/ those-were-the-days-ly y'rs, -Barry signature.asc Descr

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - Interactive HTML Digests

On Feb 19, 2010, at 04:42 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >Currently, the MIME digest is a plain text message, and I don't see any >way to reply to an individual message, much less preserve the message >subject I'm replying to - unless you mean I'm supposed to actually open >the message I want to reply to in

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - Interactive HTML Digests

On Feb 20, 2010, at 07:30 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >On 2010-02-20 7:12 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2010-02-17 11:15 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> "Reply List" is not offerred for a reply to a message from the MIME >>> digest, because there is no List-Post: header in the individual >>> message parts >> >>

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - Interactive HTML Digests

On Feb 17, 2010, at 08:33 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >I'm really excited about the developments ongoing with MM3... :) Great! If you're at Pycon, come sprint with us. If you're not here, we're going to at the very least be active on #mailman for virtual sprinters. >One thing I'd really like to see i

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request - REST API

On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Nahuel wrote: > Today REST APIs are really usefull for any web oriented application, because > services needs to communicate with each others, so I think mailman MUST have > this API. > I can continue to argument about this, but first I want to know what do you > t

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Where to make feature requests for MM3?

On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > Is this the place, or is there a bug-tracker that would be the preferred > medium? If it's really a feature request, perhaps the best thing to do is to create a blueprint and flesh out the detailed request or spec on wiki.list.org. You can then a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Codendi-devel] Mailman/Forge Integration

On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Manuel VACELET wrote: > At STMicroelectronics, we developed a web front-end to display mailman lists > archives into the forge (Codendi). The development is pretty simple as it's > just a new archiver for mailman that stores the mails into the forge database > and a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman/Forge Integration

On Feb 11, 2010, at 04:48 PM, christian.ba...@orange-ftgroup.com wrote: >We (Coclico-project http://www.coclico-project.org/) have started some >work on a better integration of mailman and forges Hi Christian, This is really interesting work from a number of perspectives. You might be aware th

[Mailman-Developers] New Logo!

Hello graphic designers, we have our first logo submission! http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/LogoSubmissions Thanks Andrija for kicking us off. Everyone else: sharpen up those inkscapes, gimps, or whatever other tool you use and submit some logos. If you have any problems adding your logos to

[Mailman-Developers] Mailman web user interface kick-off

Hello folks, I'd like to officially kickoff the Mailman 3 web user interface project. I want to invite all interested developers and designers to join in on helping to produce an awesome, modern user interface for the next version of Mailman. I believe we have enough infrastructure in the core M

[Mailman-Developers] Pycon 2010 sprint

I would like to conduct another sprint at the 2010 Python conference in Atlanta this year. The focus should be on building the new web user interface for Mailman 3. We'll be doing things like reviewing and choosing technologies, doing the information layout, building the framework, and fleshing o

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [SPAM] Re: Advanced user reputation/moderation features

On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:14 AM, vi...@wlcr.net wrote: >Hi Barry, >Keep up the good work! In response to your last email: Thanks! >With the "global user" concept, would the individual list moderators >be able to assign a "poor" status for one list only? >Or will all the lists be stuck with the st

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Advanced user reputation/moderation features

On Jan 19, 2010, at 05:42 PM, Marlon Menezes wrote: >An alternate approach to moderation could be via a "user reputation score" >as is often found in many web based discussion forums. A person with a >higher user reputation score could have fewer restrictions posed on him, in >terms of the number

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-i18n] RELEASED GNU Mailman 3.0 alpha 5 (Distant Early Warning)

On Jan 19, 2010, at 04:17 PM, Marcos wrote: >Must be the Asturian language in the version 3? :) >Can you confirm if is it an error, please? >Thanks very much! There is currently only English in Mailman 3. We'll begin to do translations on Launchpad, but I haven't hooked all that up yet. It's on

[Mailman-Developers] RELEASED GNU Mailman 3.0 alpha 5 (Distant Early Warning)

Hello everyone, welcome to 2010 and another Mailman 3 alpha release. I'm happy to announce Mailman 3.0 alpha 5. New in this release are additional REST API methods for subscribing and unsubscribing email addresses to mailing lists, and for listing all members of all mailing lists. Mailman also p

[Mailman-Developers] New Logo Contest for 2010

Hello everybody! Our current GNU Mailman logos were designed by the Dragon De Monsyne many years ago. They have served us exceedingly well, but with the coming of Mailman 3, we've decided it's time our logos got a face lift. So we're opening up a new logo contest to the Mailman and GNU communiti

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

On Jan 07, 2010, at 03:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >My advice, obviously, is that I don't think it will work as well as >the existing software, but it wouldn't be the first time I've been >very wrong, and I hope to live long enough to make many more >mistakes. :-) If he's right, it would be

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anybody looking for an insane project?

On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:35 PM, David Brown wrote: > RFC 5228 seems to obsolete RFC 3028. Okay, I think I found the project here: > http://sieve.info/ Hi Dave, thanks for the update and link. > The most python-y thing I could find is on their servers page; they list > pysieved (Python Managesieve Se

[Mailman-Developers] Anybody looking for an insane project?

If anybody is looking for something cool, crazy, and experimental to work on for Mailman 3, I have am idea that would fun to explore if I had more free time. I wonder if RFC 3028[1] could be useful in Mailman. This RFC defines the Sieve language for mail filtering. I seem to recall that there'

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM 3 alpha 4: UnicodeWarning

On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm not exactly sure how to fix this yet, but I'll try to see if I can reproduce it locally. I've decided I'm not going to worry about this. :) -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM 3 alpha 4: UnicodeWarning

On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: Error in test test_SMTP32_failure (mailman.tests.test_bounces.BounceTest) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/ lib/python2.6/unittest.py", line 279, in run testMethod() File "/

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 and LMTP

On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Terri Oda wrote: Yup, I've got the appropriate people interested, but they're waiting for a design to test before we hash out the details of a lab study. Really looking forwards to working with this team -- I've been very impressed with what they do and the ins

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:28 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: Autoconfiguration shouldn't be too hard. Mailman has to be configured with a hostname. There are three options for the port: custom configuration 587 25 Mailman can test the connectivity of each in turn, on the first message that it sends. Ca

Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM 3 alpha 4: UnicodeWarning

On Nov 29, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: I just sent a message to my freshly installed MM 3 alpha 4 (on Ubuntu 9.04) and got the following warning: Nov 29 23:53:51 mailman postfix/lmtp[8620]: D409D32E12: to=>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8025, delay=1.8, delays=0.07/0.01/0/1.7

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

On Nov 29, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I still don't think it's a good idea until we've checked that most popular OS distros supply all their MTAs configured to accept on port 587, and we had better have a bullet-proof autoconfigurator for it. MTA issues are the biggest FAQ that

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 and LMTP

On Nov 29, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: +1. IIRC, Terri was going to look into this, but I'm not sure what's happened with that. She did and offered a contact. As soon as the web interface has come to a usable state I will try to set the testing on the tracks. Cool. -Barr

[Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 alpha 4

I'm happy to announce the release of Mailman 3.0 alpha 4. Things are getting quite real now. It's pretty easy to hook Mailman up to Postfix for both incoming and outgoing mail[1] and you can create mailing lists and populate them with addresses. Currently, you must do this through the com

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 and LMTP

On Nov 29, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Thanks, I've added this to the wiki page. consulting /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts, and I had to change both /etc/hosts That's because LaMont Jones delivers the Debian/Ubunt

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Submission port

On Nov 29, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: What would we have to do, to make port 587 the default port? In section 4 the RFC says, a MSA MUST do all of the following: 1. General Submission Rejection Code 2. Ensure All Domains Are Fully-Qualified 3. Require Authentication To cut

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 and LMTP

On Nov 29, 2009, at 3:22 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Hi! * Barry Warsaw : I'm getting very near ready to release another alpha of Mailman 3, and on the prompting of a private message from Robert Niederreiter I took some time to fire up a VM and actually try Postfix+LMTP delivery

[Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 and LMTP

Hi everybody, I'm getting very near ready to release another alpha of Mailman 3, and on the prompting of a private message from Robert Niederreiter I took some time to fire up a VM and actually try Postfix+LMTP delivery in an experimental production system. I'd like to get some feedback from the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] FR: obscure email address in archives

On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:52 AM, Joost Schuttelaar wrote: When the obscure email address feature in the admin settings is enabled, e-mail addresses are transformed into the format 'xxx AT xxx' in the archives. This may have worked 5 years ago to prevent spam harvesting. But it does not work any

Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman/admindb: request for 'redirect' action

On Nov 2, 2009, at 3:25 AM, Kaja P. Christiansen wrote: A field for an address for redirection of spam and a 'Redirect' button would make a big difference for list administrators! I really want imap access for admindb functionality. ;) -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman roadmap

On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Brian J Mingus wrote: Perhaps the failure of the mailman dev team to attract community participation can be related not to any crazy versioning scheme but rather to a failure to engage with the community. I have only recently subscribed to this list and I can say

[Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman roadmap

As you know, Mailman 2.1 has long been in maintenance-only mode. Mailman 2.2 was where we were going to add new features and update the user interface, without changing the basic model. Mailman 3 was where we were going to fix the model and modernize the architecture to allow for better e

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

On Oct 15, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: My main, central, and driving point is a desire to create a system that is both idiot friendly and expert friendly, and my desire is to have all known common (end-user) and uncommon (technical user) use cases be handled in a manner tha

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

Since this thread has devolved into the same unwinnable emacs-vs-vim argument about Reply-To munging, I'm going to disengage. Mailman's official policy won't change. It considers Reply-To munging to be a bad thing in the general case, and will discourage its use. It will still supply the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:19 AM, Michael B. Trausch wrote: * MLs that require "reply all" instead, and instead of sending _one_ message in threading context, send N number of messages where N is however many people are listed in various headers. This is not a bug in mailing list software, it's

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:35 AM, Michael B. Trausch wrote: There are two major uses of email, discounting automatically generated messages, corporate crap and spam: email from one person or to one person or a group of people, and email from one person to a mailing list (presumably with people on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:15 PM, Michael B. Trausch wrote: I would say that if ML software _always_ overrides reply-to, even when the author explicitly provided one, then that is broken. Aside from the other problems that have been pointed out, selectively overriding Reply-to makes the mailing l

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Support for multiple domains in mailman3

On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:51 PM, John Goodell wrote: Hello - I hope this is an appropriate place to post this question - will mailman 3 support multiple domain installations on one server? That is, currently a single mailman installation on a box can be setup to distribute to 1 domain name at

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Barry Warsaw writes: Perhaps a good place to start is to write up a draft on wiki.list.org? Will do. Is there a good place to put it? I would start by putting it under Initiatives here: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Home But

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: It's not just list-specific, it's specifically for the use of lists, not users. As such it seems reasonable to me that it would be prefixed "List-". As for going the RFC route, I think it's not a bad idea, but I have no idea how much w

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging considered *carefully*

[Your original message probably didn't make it to mailman-developers since it was spelled "mailman-de...@python.org" -BAW] On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:19 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: 2. A formal proposal of a new header field, Responses-To, whose sole purpose is to allow mailing lists conform

Re: [Mailman-Developers] dkim and email list software - potential solution

On Oct 7, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: As far as I recall, Mailman removes DKIM signatures, and re-signs messages. Close, but the spirit is right. Mailman does remove DKIM headers, if configured to do so via a site-wide option. The option is turned off by default. This comment

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug report in Membership Management system on Web Interface

On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Justin Long wrote: Greetings, There appears to be a bug in version 2.1.5 of the Membership Management panel of the Web Interface for Mailman: I try to change the name (or add a name where the name is blank) for a specific email address, and the change does not s

[Mailman-Developers] Upgrading lp:mailman

I'm in the process of upgrading lp:mailman, or better known as lp:~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0 to bzr format 2a. It's best not to create branches of this locally for right now, and you will eventually have to update your own local branches if you want to push a stacked branch to Launchpad.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: [Systers-dev] Systers Code Sprint at GHC09 - Logistics Update]

On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Terri Oda wrote: Systers has been doing mailman development as part of their Google Summer of Code work, so I expect there'll be some work on Mailman happening at this sprint. I'm going to go represent Mailman developers as it were, and if any of you are going

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Failed bin/test for mailman 3.0 alpha3

On Sep 21, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Max Lanfranconi wrote: After installing Python 2.6 as required, I downloaded and installed mailman3.0 a3 on a Solaris 10 server with the following commands: Hi Max, Running mailman.testing.layers.ConfigLayer tests: Set up mailman.testing.layers.MockAndMonkeyLa

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:48 PM, David Champion wrote: I'm going to embracing and extend something Barry suggested in private mail. He suggested a list setting that permits signed-in list subscribers to download raw archives if they have some 'archive-approved' status. What if that is a three-way

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Dale Newfield wrote: Maybe the appropriate modifications from the original message would be to add as a "To" address the current list address iff it does not appear in the To or CC addresses in the archived message (and to re- set ReplyTo, if reply-to-munging is

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:39 PM, C Nulk wrote: Now, totally off-topic, anyone have a recommendation for a book on learning Python so I am no longer truly dangerous, just slightly. There are zillions of books available now for learning Python (I think there was only 1 when I first learned it 15 y

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dale Newfield wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Let's say I just joined the XEmacs development mailing list after a long absence. I find a message in the archive from two years ago that is relevant to an issue I'm having. I'd like to follow up to tha

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: I am pretty sure allowing the raw email addresses to be available is going to go over like a lead balloon here. Anything (however minor) to help protect the users/clients email addresses is helpful despite what others think. It is fine if someone c

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:01 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Barry Warsaw writes: What I'm thinking is that there should be a "send me this message" link in the archive, which gets you a copy as it was originally sent to the list. That let's you jump into a conversation as if

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Bernd Siggy Brentrup wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:03 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: What I'm thinking is that there should be a "send me this message" link in the archive, which gets you a copy as it was originally sent to the list. That let&#x

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