Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] openID enabled mailman

2009-06-13 Thread Brad Knowles
Relyer. Looking at the code might give me an idea about how to start implementing openID support fr the mailman setup I am running, I really don't think so. They and you seem to have very different ideas as to where the OpenID provider code should go. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] openID enabled mailman

2009-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
time. IMO, this may be a better question to ask on their mailing lists, or to ask the people who maintain their mailing lists. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Wiki maintenance

2009-04-02 Thread Brad Knowles
Barry Warsaw wrote: Please note that our hosting provider will be conducting some schedule maintenance on our wiki instance. Thus wiki.list.org will be unavailable starting at 0900 UTC Saturday April 4, for a few hours. So says the FLUFL, so shall it be. -- Brad Knowles b...@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

2008-07-23 Thread Brad Knowles
to mention the official Mailman group on LinkedIn? Of course, I can't figure out how to give you a link that will take you to their page for the group as opposed to the home page that I defined for the group (namely www.list.org), but that may be something we can resolve. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

2008-07-23 Thread Brad Knowles
. Thanks! -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Brad Knowles
Mark Sapiro wrote: I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10. Now running on mail.python.org. Please let us know if there are any problems. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu ___ Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Brad Knowles
that is 800MB in size, depending on how many unparseable messages you might have. We'll need to coordinate the updates to mmdsr and get the official version with all code contributions from all parties out there on the SourceForge page. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Brad Knowles
, and I'll be glad to set that up. What to people generally do with their shunt files? Leave them untouched for months or years? ;-) -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Brad Knowles
go. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Brad Knowles
On 4/21/08, Brad Knowles wrote: I have applied the patch to my installation and I'm sure it's good, but I haven't seen any unparseable messages. I haven't seen any more unparseable messages in the last few minutes, but let's see how things go. We've now had a couple of unparseable

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Announce] Updated message catalogs needed for Mailman 2.1.10

2008-03-10 Thread Brad Knowles
the Internationalization folks should be hanging out. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Email classification

2008-01-12 Thread Brad Knowles
in the Mailman FAQ Wizard whereby a moderator can modify a message before it is posted to the list, but as I recall that's a pretty lengthy and painful process. I'm not aware of any other options in this case. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Index Listing of mail lists

2006-10-10 Thread Brad Knowles
to generate pages from (member lists, moderation queues, etc) would have to grow appropriate interfaces -- sounds like work! but it would be way cool. Yeah, way cool. We can't wait to see the code you're going to contribute to do this. ;) -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up

Re: [Mailman-Developers] pipe-to-prog/maidir/lmtp performance

2006-09-30 Thread Brad Knowles
future discussions on subjects relating to the list. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Incoming Queue format

2006-09-29 Thread Brad Knowles
, then I don't see how you can participate in this discussion. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Incoming Queue format

2006-09-29 Thread Brad Knowles
. That said, I'm done arguing with you and Barry. You guys go do whatever you want. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Incoming Queue format

2006-09-29 Thread Brad Knowles
not include me on any further messages on this subject. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] SF.net SVN: mailman: [8041] trunk/mailman/Mailman

2006-09-28 Thread Brad Knowles
postfix transport map template: Sendmail should be able to do something comparable, although I have not yet looked at the documentation to see just exactly how you'd implement that. Certainly, looking up addresses in a variety of database types is not a new idea. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] LTMP for incoming mail

2006-09-28 Thread Brad Knowles
and all it's potential drawbacks and new bottleneck sources, before we take that first step off the cliff. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706

Re: [Mailman-Developers] LTMP for incoming mail

2006-09-28 Thread Brad Knowles
working on trying to resolve the real bottleneck issues that we already know are present in our system as opposed to working on cool stuff that may or may not help but would require more overall changes to more parts of the system and with relatively lower potential payoff. -- Brad Knowles

Re: [Mailman-Developers] LTMP for incoming mail

2006-09-28 Thread Brad Knowles
that needs solving, which is how this whole thread started. Agreed, this is a real problem that needs to be resolved. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: [Mailman-Developers] LTMP for incoming mail

2006-09-28 Thread Brad Knowles
performance and scalability. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Incoming Queue format

2006-09-28 Thread Brad Knowles
hardware, too -- think Hitachi, not EMC. So your assumptions about what kinds of filesystems may or may not be appropriate are not necessarily going to coincide with the decisions that other people make, or the kinds of hardware and OS they may be forced to live with. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] SF.net SVN: mailman: [8041] trunk/mailman/Mailman

2006-09-27 Thread Brad Knowles
locking on NFS, without all the various baggage that Maildir brings to the table. Mark Crispin also has a lot of good things to say about the weaknesses inherent in Maildir. You should read his comments, too. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] SF.net SVN: mailman: [8041] trunk/mailman/Mailman

2006-09-27 Thread Brad Knowles
problems. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 Founding

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] SF.net SVN: mailman: [8041] trunk/mailman/Mailman

2006-09-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:34 PM -0500 9/27/06, Brad Knowles wrote: Moreover, I'm not keen on Maildir. It makes a lot of trade-offs to try to get something that is NFS-safe, and I'm not convinced those trade-offs are worthwhile, especially not in a non-NFS environment. One other problem with Maildir

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] SF.net SVN: mailman: [8041] trunk/mailman/Mailman

2006-09-27 Thread Brad Knowles
to their custom LDA that they include which is not officially part of the actual sendmail package itself. But you could easily plug in any other LMTP-capable LDA. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither

Re: [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.9 release candidate 1

2006-09-06 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:58 AM -0400 2006-09-06, Bryan Fullerton wrote: I upgraded my small production machine to 2.1.9rc1 today, everything seems to be working as usual. We're also running it in production on python.org, and I have yet to see anything out of the ordinary. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-15 Thread Brad Knowles
is to increase your options available to you, and to also try to help reduce the load on list moderators and list owners to a more tolerable level. At least, that's the idea. I'm hoping that the reality will live up to this theory. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-15 Thread Brad Knowles
for spammers. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 Founding Individual

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-11 Thread Brad Knowles
below the threshold of totally unacceptable. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-10 Thread Brad Knowles
related to that address. As I said, show me the code, and then show me all the actual bounces and how they were interpreted by the code. I'd like to see how closely reality actually hews to the RFCs. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-09 Thread Brad Knowles
in the complexity of the system, or at least with a reasonable balance of complexity versus the modified features you're proposing. I don't have anything to prove here. You do. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-09 Thread Brad Knowles
interpretations of these RFCs, plus all possible incorrect but likely interpretations of these RFCs, and we might have something useful to talk about. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-08 Thread Brad Knowles
of bounce. I'm not saying that this isn't something that we shouldn't at least look at seriously, I'm just saying I don't quite buy this particular motivation, at least not as it applies to Mailman. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-08 Thread Brad Knowles
how it works out for you. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-08 Thread Brad Knowles
in this case are higher than taking the K.I.S.S. approach and not making any attempt to guess what type of bounce we're dealing with. So, feel free to go ahead and make this change and to put this entire issue to rest, at least for the data you've collected from your site. -- Brad Knowles

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-08 Thread Brad Knowles
traction in this issue. That's it. I've said my piece. Unless you have something new to add to the discussion, I'd suggest you do us all a favour and let this drop. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-07 Thread Brad Knowles
to tell us what the real-world picture is at their site. If you want to move this discussion beyond the theory stage, I'd suggest that you start collecting some data. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-08-07 Thread Brad Knowles
to continue trying to tilt at that thing. You might want to look into how big this problem could potentially be, before you decide to just casually blow off any possible consequences. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] suggested improvement for Mailman's bounce processing

2006-07-28 Thread Brad Knowles
Mailman to pay attention to the status codes. Once that's out there, we could let various people try it out and see how it works in the field, and I would be a very happy guy if I were to be proven wrong in this case. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Integrating Mailman with a single sign-on service

2006-07-17 Thread Brad Knowles
requirements. Other than that, I'm usually more of an observer on this list, and I'm afraid I don't have any answers for you. I'll let someone else that is more knowledgeable about the code try to address your questions. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team Co

Re: [Mailman-Developers] The Philosophy of Web Use.

2006-07-07 Thread Brad Knowles
browsers for common PDA and phone devices, etc -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly

Re: [Mailman-Developers] The Philosophy of Web Use.

2006-07-07 Thread Brad Knowles
, and you release the code. Only problem is, when it's put out there in the real world you discover that it has interesting failure modes with other browsers that you didn't test with. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Accessible DOM manipulations

2006-07-06 Thread Brad Knowles
best to simply not send anything that the user cannot currently see. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Parsing and Rendering rfc2822

2006-07-06 Thread Brad Knowles
a look at all the ones he found and then see if there are any others you can discover on top of that. But this is a pretty big undertaking. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Parsing and Rendering rfc8222

2006-07-06 Thread Brad Knowles
deciding what was going to be done and how. I wasn't advocating the incorporation of ht:dig itself into the stuff we ship. At least, I didn't mean for it to come off that way. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] The Philosophy of Web Use.

2006-07-06 Thread Brad Knowles
in a million years, and you've got to wonder what complex code is going to do under those circumstances and what the failure modes will be. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] The Philosophy of Web Use.

2006-07-06 Thread Brad Knowles
is right, but at the very least I think you have to give some serious consideration to what the author is saying. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Turning off dynamic JavaScript

2006-07-04 Thread Brad Knowles
, the manual options should always be there, but if we're forcing the user to manually select a different page in order to get away from the JavaScript stuff, then I think we're doing something wrong. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Please Tell Me How You Translate

2006-07-04 Thread Brad Knowles
the slightest clue as to how you'd go about trying to do that. I don't speak any foreign language well enough to even think about making any attempt to do so. That said, I'd be glad to provide whatever help I can. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Turning off dynamic JavaScript

2006-07-04 Thread Brad Knowles
consider to be safe, such as the mail.python.org or any other Mailman site I help administer, but I can certainly see that others might not feel the same way. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Parsing and Rendering rfc8222

2006-07-04 Thread Brad Knowles
comes down to knowing what the expectations are for people who are going to be administering and using Mailman, and then being able to manage those expectations with regards to what you're doing. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Accessibility Testing Tools (was Re: Hi! I'll be your intern for the summer :))

2006-06-29 Thread Brad Knowles
know. This is now my main machine, and I have both Safari and Firefox, and I can install a number of other browsers for testing purposes (including Opera, Camino, etc...). -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hi! I'll be your intern for the summer :)

2006-06-28 Thread Brad Knowles
for neophyte list participants and less experienced list admins), while also making it more powerful and easier to use for the more experienced people out there. From everything I've seen, I think Ethan's work is going to be a huge improvement in both areas. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hi! I'll be your intern for the summer :)

2006-06-20 Thread Brad Knowles
that you will be fully successful. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hi! I'll be your intern for the summer :)

2006-06-15 Thread Brad Knowles
a concerted effort made. While the SoC project is fairly constrained, I want to at least make the future easier. Your work is very important to us. I'm not sure you fully understand how important. Or how difficult. ;) -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-09 Thread Brad Knowles
is on-site (on your campus, in your company, whatever). If that's true, then you can rely on authenticated SMTP anyway. Red Herring. We're not trying to fix all the possible security problems in Mailman. That's a job for Barry, Tokio, Mark, and others. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-08 Thread Brad Knowles
depend on the MTA authors to create that. Maybe the Exim authors could and would do so quickly, but that's not the only MTA we have to concern ourselves with. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-08 Thread Brad Knowles
that's more appropriate to ask Barry, Tokio, and Mark to look into those issues as opposed to David. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-08 Thread Brad Knowles
security holes, and you shouldn't have to worry about trying to close those that already exist. Just make sure that you put in the appropriate cleanup code into place to remove the headers in question, as is done today for the Approved: header. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-08 Thread Brad Knowles
that the new password doesn't get inadvertently exposed by Mailman. But extending the existing Approved: mechanism is clearly the way to approach this problem. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
. See my previous responses. We may be able to teach the MTAs how to read some of the databases that Mailman might be using when it would be making its decision to accept or reject the message, but I don't think it's going to be possible to teach the MTAs everything. -- Brad Knowles

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
a rewrite on that scale, I suspect that we're going to continue to have these kinds of problems for some time. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
decisions. I don't think there's any way in the world that you're going to escape this. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
-write your MTA so that it has a deep understanding of all the internal workings of Mailman, feel free to go ahead and do that. Otherwise, I suspect that we're going to continue to have this kind of problem for quite some time. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman on a cluster

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
-- Berkely db on NFS doesn't work. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman on a cluster

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
, I'm pretty sure that Eric Allman can, since he worked closely with those guys back when he was at UCB, and he also spent some time writing the original Postgres database. But one positive example does not prove a trend. ;) -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up

Re: [Mailman-Developers] archiving size issue

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
not a developer. ;( -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.8 documentation mismatch

2006-06-07 Thread Brad Knowles
message. Of course, this would have to happen after the anti-spam/anti-virus milters, and then some sites are going to use accept scan techniques as opposed to milter, so there may need to be multiple different MTA adapters, even for a particular MTA. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Topic regexps

2006-05-26 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:33 PM -0700 2006-05-25, Mark Sapiro wrote: There is currently a user option to receive (or not) all posts which don't match any topic. Is this what you mean? Yurffhh. /me removes foot from mouth Yes. /me reinserts food -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Topic regexps

2006-05-24 Thread Brad Knowles
not really fully understanding this concept. I can say that I think it would be pretty wild to come across a new twist in variable regexps like this, after twenty or so years of mucking about with Unix, etc -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty

Re: [Mailman-Developers] sender-based authorisation

2006-05-19 Thread Brad Knowles
this road, such as people not being good at remembering large numbers of passwords. Beyond that, I'm not sure that I can contribute much of anything more to this discussion. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary

Re: [Mailman-Developers] sender-based authorisation

2006-05-19 Thread Brad Knowles
, then you'd have to create a new umbrella list, which would be a pain. I'm not sure there is a good/easy solution to this part of the problem, although it is probably mostly just cosmetic. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little

Re: [Mailman-Developers] thoughts on bounce processing

2006-05-11 Thread Brad Knowles
thing I'd say here is that I'd tend to be a little more conservative in terms of what I'd call impossibly high. ;) -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: [Mailman-Developers] thoughts on bounce processing

2006-05-11 Thread Brad Knowles
and envelope recipient in the VERP. That might be theoretically possible, but I think it's going to take a lot more thought and design work to see if that can be done. I suspect it would be a lot easier to do some of the other sorts of things we're talking about. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-29 Thread Brad Knowles
digests using any other method. But, most of what we've been talking about so far has to do with regular list activity with regards to individual messages, and not digests. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Sender field

2006-04-29 Thread Brad Knowles
an Errors-To header? I can't find it in the usual suspects. That's the oldest technique for handling bounces. It has been deprecated for a while, but I would be inclined to continue to at least provide the appropriate information. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Brad Knowles
to go back to the old method), and then finally to removing the option to revert to the old behaviour at some distant point in the future. But I definitely would not support just ripping out the offending code. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Brad Knowles
. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Sender field

2006-04-27 Thread Brad Knowles
and controllable by the site admin (and something that can be delegated to the list admin), and you'll have a much better chance of getting someone to pay attention to your request. Otherwise, keep applying the patch to each new version of Mailman as you install it. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] SF.net SVN: mailman: [7858] trunk/mailman

2006-04-24 Thread Brad Knowles
should default to US-ASCII in the log files, but I can see where some people might want to select a different encoding in mm_cfg.py. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-checkins] SF.net SVN: mailman: [7858] trunk/mailman

2006-04-23 Thread Brad Knowles
know for sure that any of them are the meaning you intended to convey. Could you clarify and/or elaborate? -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: [Mailman-Developers] XMLRPC interface

2006-04-05 Thread Brad Knowles
Barry, Tokio, Mark, etc...). -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Virtual Domains Redux (w proposal)

2006-03-09 Thread Brad Knowles
could be used, some of which might be more easily understood at a glance, others which might be more complex but also more scalable. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Virtual Domains Redux (w proposal)

2006-03-03 Thread Brad Knowles
, and doing what he can for Mailman3 in his non-existent spare time, although he does try to at least keep abreast of what is going on with Mailman 2.x. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feature Request: message_id as replaceable token for footers etc.

2006-01-18 Thread Brad Knowles
agitating for this one for a while. ;) -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Inactivity deletion of maillist users ?

2006-01-13 Thread Brad Knowles
-- although I doubt it would be any more attractive or broadly useful to the whole community. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply

Re: [Mailman-Developers] preferred documentation format, sources for documentation in admin/www

2006-01-05 Thread Brad Knowles
? As for the preferred documentation format, I'll let someone who knows more about that subject provide an answer for you. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790

Re: [Mailman-Developers] On allowing any list member to be an email moderator

2006-01-03 Thread Brad Knowles
everything you've said, I think you would like Skip's mmfold.py script. I think you should check it out. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply

Re: [Mailman-Developers] On allowing any list member to be an email moderator

2006-01-03 Thread Brad Knowles
. It does everything over HTTP, so it doesn't have to be run on the server where the list is hosted. That should make the job a lot easier, albeit still not as simple as pointing their existing favourite web browser at the appropriate admindb page. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who

Re: [Mailman-Developers] On allowing any list member to be an email moderator

2006-01-03 Thread Brad Knowles
a valid assumption. But my experience is that IMAP falls down too (especially depending on the IMAP server implementation), and you need something even scalable when that happens. True. (Aside: why do all mail clients suck so much? :) All mail servers suck, too. -- Brad Knowles

Re: [Mailman-Developers] On allowing any list member to be an email moderator

2006-01-02 Thread Brad Knowles
is that the form is a little too big to be conveniently used in a format of 3 columns of 6 rows of frames. Which I think is part of why Skip created mmfold.py. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither

Re: [Mailman-Developers] On allowing any list member to be an email moderator

2006-01-01 Thread Brad Knowles
with mm_cfg.PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE. It appears that some subscription requests and confirmation cookies for held posts may already expire on their own schedule, and that the rationale for this might inform the design of held message expiration. That's also a good idea. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Developers] On allowing any list member to be an email moderator

2006-01-01 Thread Brad Knowles
of our being a lot smaller. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

Re: [Mailman-Developers] On allowing any list member to be an email moderator

2005-12-31 Thread Brad Knowles
not sure that mailman-developers is the best place to do that. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Spam/Scam button

2005-12-15 Thread Brad Knowles
in this respect. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Spam/Scam button

2005-12-13 Thread Brad Knowles
of such a button by an attacker? There are a lot of questions you'd have to answer before you could come up with a reasonable scheme for creating a new List- header that would perform the desired function while avoiding the creation of any new major weaknesses. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Spam/Scam button

2005-12-13 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:38 PM -0600 2005-12-13, Brad Knowles wrote: At 2:33 PM +0200 2005-12-13, Rui Correia wrote: I've just been cleaning up a list that I administer and suddenly it came to me that we could have a report Scam/Spam button for such items being sent to Mailman lists. Where would

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Spam/Scam button

2005-12-13 Thread Brad Knowles
. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python.org Postmaster Team ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable

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