Re: [Mailman-Users] Some basic how-to questions

Todd Zullinger wrote: > >Renaming is a minor pain. Perhaps it's best to search the archives. >I've done it but not often enough that I could give you the steps from >memory. I posted a reply to this. It may show up eventually, but in case it disappeared in my outgoing server whose que

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add "sender's name/email" to BODY of mail as header?

Mal wrote: >I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address... > >But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the >bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is >anonymous...! That's why the setting that controls this is called anonymous_

Re: [Mailman-Users] Some basic how-to questions

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Winter wrote: > My host administrator says I have the privileges I need. Indeed, I can get > to /usr/local/mailman/ through a SSH shell. Excellent. > But, see, I'm more-or-less UNIX / LINUX ignorant, so I can't seem to > get anything to happen f

[Mailman-Users] Add "sender's name/email" to BODY of mail as header?

I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address... But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is anonymous...! Is there a way to add the user name (or email address) to the top of each mail s

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

On 8/31/06 4:09 PM, "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I think either "unapproved" or "unauthorized" are the most > appropriate terms. After all, the code is released under the GPL, > and anyone who is making modifications to that code and then making > their modified version a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Some basic how-to questions

My host administrator says I have the privileges I need. Indeed, I can get to /usr/local/mailman/ through a SSH shell. But, see, I'm more-or-less UNIX / LINUX ignorant, so I can't seem to get anything to happen from there. Can you point me to some command line documentation that can get me throu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Some basic how-to questions

Todd, Ryan, & Dan ~ Thanks for your responses. Glad to know I was barking up the right tree. I'm communicating with my host administrator to see if I have the privileges to do what I'm trying to do. ~ Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mailman- [EMAIL PR

Re: [Mailman-Users] quick script to rebuild subscriber list from logs

Ok - so the attachment got stripped. Anyway, it's up at: http://veggiechinese.net/rebuild_subscriber_list.txt w -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://w

[Mailman-Users] quick script to rebuild subscriber list from logs

So I had a list configuration get hosed recently, and unfortunately, my only backups were from after the configuration got hosed. Fortunately, I had a Mailman subscription log dating back to before the list was created, so I decided to throw together a little script to rebuild the subscriber list.

Re: [Mailman-Users] [exim] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

On Saturday 02 September 2006 00:03, Stephen Gran wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 11:45:19PM +0200, Oliver König said: > > > You seem to have case issues here, i.e., MAILMAN_DOMAINS vs. > > > MAILMAN_domains. The documentation shows this all lower case. I don't > > > know if that is significant or

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

> You seem to have case issues here, i.e., MAILMAN_DOMAINS vs. > MAILMAN_domains. The documentation shows this all lower case. I don't > know if that is significant or not, but it may be. > > Also, you don't indicate whether or not you have server.windfinder.com > and news.server.windfinder.com in

Re: [Mailman-Users] [exim] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

Oliver König wrote: >I made the changes to match case sensitivity butdelivery still does not work: > >server:~# exim4 -d -bt [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Exim version 4.50 uid=3D0 gid=3D0 pid=3D2790 D=3Dfbb95cfd >Berkeley DB: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.2.52: (December 3, 2003) >Support for: iconv()

Re: [Mailman-Users] [exim] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

On Friday 01 September 2006 17:47, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:22:33 +0200, Oliver König <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >domainlist MAILMAN_DOMAINS= server.windfinder.com : > > news.server.windfinder.com > > > >After exim4 restart the mail delivery failed completely (even for non >

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to create a list with an approved list ofposters? (not answered by FAQ?)

Elizabeth Schwartz wrote: > >The people who are in the sub-lists don't have moderation bits, though. If I >make them unmodearted members of the umbrella list, and they are also >members of the sub-lists, will they get everything twice? Yes, unless you set their delivery on the umbrella list to di

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to create a list with an approved list of posters? (not answered by FAQ?)

Thanks but I am still not getting this. On 8/30/06, Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 2:12 PM -0400 2006-08-30, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote: > > > I have been charged with creating two lists, each with a limited set of > > people who are allowed to **post** to the list. > > One list i

Re: [Mailman-Users] Some basic how-to questions

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Winter wrote: > Using the Mailman web admin interface, can I / how can I: > > 1.Delete an entire mailing list? By default you can't do this from the web interface. If the site admin puts OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = yes into mm_cfg.p

Re: [Mailman-Users] Some basic how-to questions

First off, I'm not sure if any of those are possible via the web interface. I don't think that's really what the interface was designed for. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Renaming a list is a royal pain in the ass. There's some documentation on the Mailman website about it, though it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Just archives

On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > >You may wish to write some kind of script to remove the 'more > >information about this list' links from the contents and index pages. > > > Or you can remove them from the templates before running bin/arch. > > templates

Re: [Mailman-Users] Just archives

On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > >You may wish to write some kind of script to remove the 'more > >information about this list' links from the contents and index pages. > > > Or you can remove them from the templates before running bin/arch. > > templates

[Mailman-Users] Some basic how-to questions

Using the Mailman web admin interface, can I / how can I: 1. Delete an entire mailing list? 2. Clone the entire setup of a list, creating a new list with a different name but the same configuration? 3. Rename a list? I looked for these how-tos in the available documentatio

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > >It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web > >archives that mailman generates. > > See . That's interesting. Although if I understand correctl

Re: [Mailman-Users] Just archives

On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > >I believe I need to do more to configure the list, so that for example > >the list name appears somewhere on the archive pages. I'm not yet > >sure if I should do this via command line tools, or if I need to hook >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Just archives

Mark Sapiro wrote: > >You may wish to write some kind of script to remove the 'more >information about this list' links from the contents and index pages. Or you can remove them from the templates before running bin/arch. templates/en/archtoc.html templates/en/archtocnombox.html templates/en/arc

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicitdestination"(devils advocate!)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Knowles wrote: > Looking at > , > > it looks like they got up to version 2.1.5, but again I'm still > trying to figure out what parts may have been modified by A

Re: [Mailman-Users] GPL Issues (was Re: query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!))

Bretton Vine sent the message below at 08:47 AM 9/1/2006: >Dragon said the following on 2006/09/01 05:29 PM: > > Have you actually read the GPL? > > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt > >yes plus variations ;-) > > > There is such an obligation explicitly defined in it within section 3 > > that st

[Mailman-Users] GPL Issues (was Re: query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!))

Dragon writes: > Bretton Vine did speak thusly: > >I don't think there is any obligation for someone who changes the source of > >a GPL product to give the changes back to the original developers, [...] > End original message. - > > There is such an obl

Re: [Mailman-Users] View Subscriber list format

I use a template to create new lists. Si, I had already updated the template to reflect this change in new lists being created. obscure_addresses = 0 Thanks for the tip and the script. Mailman rocks! Tom On 8/31/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom Kavanaugh wrote: > > > >Is there

Re: [Mailman-Users] Need help: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12, _GOT_gid_110

Heinrich, Maximilian wrote: > >so far so good. NOW I get at least no "deferral" but "success" delivery >message in my qmail log but with this error behind it: > >delivery 890: success: >Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12,_GOT_gid_110./Failed_to_start_/usr >/lib/mailman/mail/mailman./did_0+0+1/ >

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicitdestination"(devils advocate!)

At 8:42 AM -0700 2006-09-01, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anyway, if you go to > and follow any of the "Mac OS X 10.3 Darwin 7.0" or later "source" > links you will find links to Mailman source. I don't know whether this > is Apple modified source or ju

Re: [Mailman-Users] Just archives

David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >I believe I need to do more to configure the list, so that for example >the list name appears somewhere on the archive pages. I'm not yet >sure if I should do this via command line tools, or if I need to hook >it up so the list admin web pages work on this private copy

Re: [Mailman-Users] GPL Issues (was Re: query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!))

Dragon said the following on 2006/09/01 05:29 PM: > Have you actually read the GPL? > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt yes plus variations ;-) > There is such an obligation explicitly defined in it within section 3 > that states that source code of any derivative work MUST be provided > either

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web >archives that mailman generates. See . -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabette

Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman

Robert Bannocks wrote: > >I want to run mail man as part of the main name space, i.e. >[EMAIL PROTECTED], however the machine it runs on will be called >someother.nhm.ac.uk, and >the alias I want for the web front end will be lists.nhm.ac.uk. Am I >correct in doing this by setting the following

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

On 9/1/06, David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web > archives that mailman generates. Perhaps, ideally, a different one > for the individual message files and for the various index files. > Perhaps there could be a default o

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm just concerned that sharing might not be the intention of the > system owner. No problem. Sharing this source code is perfectly fine with the system owner. I know him well enough to know that implicitly. - -- Todd

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

Todd Zullinger writes: > If you have reason to believe that there are other factors which > would prohibit the system owner from sharing that source code, > feel free to point those out. There are none to worry about, except that he/she arbitrarily decides he/she doesn't want to. I'm just con

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicitdestination"(devils advocate!)

Todd Zullinger wrote: > >The source dir on cpanel seems to >include a build dir with the mailman bin/ utils in it along with some >of the stuff from contrib and cron. The build directory is created by configure and contains 'configured' versions of the scripts. -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[Mailman-Users] Feature request

It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web archives that mailman generates. Perhaps, ideally, a different one for the individual message files and for the various index files. Perhaps there could be a default one that was put in by default (it could be pretty much null), an

Re: [Mailman-Users] Just archives

Answering my own question, on the off-chance somebody else now or in the future cares... On 8/29/06, David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I think I want to do is leave the new/current mailing list, and > its archives, alone, and put up the old archives in my web space. (A > more a

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicitdestination"(devils advocate!)

Bretton Vine wrote: > >Just as an example, some list-owners have pending administrative request >queues numbering in the hundreds already. No amount of prodding or pushing >or assisting helps them just to complete a small and easy daily task. >Feedback is "my prior list didn't bother me with stuff"

[Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman

Hi, A few simple questions. I want to run mail man as part of the main name space, i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED], however the machine it runs on will be called someother.nhm.ac.uk, and the alias I want for the web front end will be lists.nhm.ac.uk. Am I correct in doing this by setting the followi

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicitdestination"(devils advocate!)

Brad Knowles wrote: >At 9:30 PM +0900 2006-09-01, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> And maybe Mailman should consider asking for source code from these >> companies, to improve support for not a few users. > >That's a good idea, but that's another issue for Barry. FWIW, I only this week discover

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

Mal did speak thusly: >Dear Patrick, >Thank you very much for your reply. > > > What MTA are you using? >Postfix latest version. > >Checking the logs that you suggested, I found the cause for this >delay, however, do not know how to get around it... > >When I am sending mails to the list from any o

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You have to actually receive a distribution to have GPL rights. > Merely having access to somebody else's copy is not enough. The system owner most certainly allows me to access and use the source that he was provided as par

[Mailman-Users] GPL Issues (was Re: query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!))

Bretton Vine did speak thusly: >I don't think there is any obligation for someone who changes the source of >a GPL product to give the changes back to the original developers, but there >might be a case of 'good manners' at play in that it is polite to do so. I'm >sure developers welcome input eve

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

OK! Thank you, Ill ask the isp. Thanks for the suggestions at the start, it really helped me pinpoint the problem, even though it doesnt seem to be mailman! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/li

Re: [Mailman-Users] peculiar problem

Francis Jayakanth wrote: > >What I have been doing as a list >moderator in such situations is, deleting the existing id of such a user >and re-create the same id. Many-a-times this solution has worked. I don't know why this would make a difference unless delivery was disabled for that user and d

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

Todd Zullinger writes: > I do, AFAIK. Mailman is GPL'd and I have legitimate root access on > that system so I have access to the source code. AIUI, the GPL > doesn't permit them to restrict what I do with the source that I > get. You have to actually receive a distribution to have GPL righ

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

At 12:07 AM +0900 2006-09-02, Mal quoted Ralf Hildebrandt: >> You ISPs mailserver could have a huge queue, thus delivery may take >> VERY long. > > thanks for the hint, but other mails are getting in with no delay at all. That's the joy of e-mail -- messages you sent an hour ago might still b

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

On 9/1/06, Mal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thanks for the hint, but other mails are getting in with no delay at all.. > Anyone else tried to send mails from same smtp server that your MTA uses? If your ISP allows it, you might try configuring your postfix to NOT use the ISP as a smart relay, and

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

Oliver König wrote: >Just added it: >domainlist MAILMAN_DOMAINS= server.windfinder.com : news.server.windfinder.com > >After exim4 restart the mail delivery failed completely (even for non mailman >mail): >2006-09-01 10:39:13 1GJ4YH-0004nB-ND unknown named domain >list "+MAILMAN_domains" >I chan

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

At 5:04 PM +0200 2006-09-01, Ralf Hildebrandt quoted [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> When I am sending mails to the list from any other smtp server than my >> isp's (from webmail etc), the delivery is instant! >> However, when I send a mail from my isp's smtp server (which is the >> same smtp that postf

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

Dear Ralf, > You ISPs mailserver could have a huge queue, thus delivery may take > VERY long. thanks for the hint, but other mails are getting in with no delay at all.. Anyone else tried to send mails from same smtp server that your MTA uses? On 02/09/06, Ralf Hildebrandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

At 9:30 PM +0900 2006-09-01, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your post asks for more than the GPL does. I agree that it would be > good if these companies would participate actively in the community. > But I'm more confused than ever why you cited the GPL in support of > that, since you write:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

* Mal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > When I am sending mails to the list from any other smtp server than my > isp's (from webmail etc), the delivery is instant! > However, when I send a mail from my isp's smtp server (which is the > same smtp that postfix is using to send all mails that are posted to > my

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

Dear Patrick, Thank you very much for your reply. > What MTA are you using? Postfix latest version. Checking the logs that you suggested, I found the cause for this delay, however, do not know how to get around it... When I am sending mails to the list from any other smtp server than my isp's (f

Re: [Mailman-Users] peculiar problem

At 6:54 PM +0530 2006-09-01, Francis Jayakanth wrote: > I have re-created the id for this > user at least 5 times but still the user in question doesn't get mailman > mails. what do u think could be the problem. we are using 2.1.3, which > quite out-dated a

[Mailman-Users] Need help: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12, _GOT_gid_110

Hello again, thanks for your help so far with the strange unable-to-determine-caller's-group-id-thing. In fact I found out that the problem was that the either qmail or mailman expected the GID of user "popuser" to be 110. (it was 30). So I changed that by changing the GID in /etc/group and /etc/p

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

On 9/1/06, Mal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, I am running mailman / postfix on Ubuntu 6.06 (using apt-get > latest standard versions) What MTA are you using? > I have everything working correctly, except that when people send > mails to the list, it takes on average one hour to send the mail

[Mailman-Users] Mailman working, but very slow delivery of posted mails

Hello, I am running mailman / postfix on Ubuntu 6.06 (using apt-get latest standard versions) I have everything working correctly, except that when people send mails to the list, it takes on average one hour to send the mails out to subscribers!! The volume is only small now, as we are testing wi

Re: [Mailman-Users] peculiar problem

On 9/1/06, Francis Jayakanth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We have been using Mailman software for almost 6 years now without much of > a problem. Occasionally, some of our subscribers complain that they do not > receive mails from the mailman list. What I have been doing as a list My guess here

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you actually do have the right to do so, yes, please. I do, AFAIK. Mailman is GPL'd and I have legitimate root access on that system so I have access to the source code. AIUI, the GPL doesn't permit them to restrict wha

Re: [Mailman-Users] [exim] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

On Friday 01 September 2006 13:51, Stephen Gran wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:40:49PM +0200, Oliver König said: > > When a subscriber posts to the list /var/log/exim4/mainlog says: > > 2006-09-01 13:37:27 H=mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84] > > F=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> rejected RCPT <[E

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

Todd Zullinger writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Has anybody at Mailman asked CPanel, Plesk, or Apple for source and > > been refused? Or one of their customers, and been refused because > > they were under NDA? If we haven't asked, how can we bitch? > [...] > I've since had the disp

[Mailman-Users] peculiar problem

We have been using Mailman software for almost 6 years now without much of a problem. Occasionally, some of our subscribers complain that they do not receive mails from the mailman list. What I have been doing as a list moderator in such situations is, deleting the existing id of such a user and r

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

Brad Knowles writes: > I just don't have the answers to the questions you're asking me. That's fine. > Moreover, I don't think that it's reasonable for you to respond to me > in this manner. What have I ever done to you? Since you ask, lots of nice things. I've certainly benefited from yo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

Hello Marc, thanks for your feedback. I have been trying to get it working for several weeks. On Friday 01 September 2006 01:01, you wrote: > Oliver König wrote: > >I am pretty sure that the mailman config is right and that > >there is a problem with the exim4 config. Non local subscribers cannot

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anybody at Mailman asked CPanel, Plesk, or Apple for source and > been refused? Or one of their customers, and been refused because > they were under NDA? If we haven't asked, how can we bitch? I asked cPanel a few yea

Re: [Mailman-Users] [exim] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

On Friday 01 September 2006 12:21, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:22:35 +0200, Oliver König <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >/var/log/exim4/mainlog: > >2006-09-01 00:00:52 H=mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80] > >F=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> rejected RCPT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: relay > >n

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

Brad Knowles said the following on 2006/09/01 08:39 AM: > If you want to get into a diatribe about licensing, please be aware > that I'm a BSD guy, and I've found myself surrounded by a bunch of > GPL types, so license-wise I've tended to say pretty quiet. Note, the issues raised are not unique

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re "message has implicit destination"(devils advocate!)

Brad Knowles said the following on 2006/09/01 01:24 AM: > This is the key point that was not coming across to me, at least not > until much later in the exchange. Speaking only for myself, I seriously > misunderstood what you were asking and why, which greatly colored my > responses. My apologies