Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..

2008-09-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > Khalil Abbas wrote: > > > and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer > > don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your > > faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion.. > > I've seen the same so

Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message volune?

2008-09-08 Thread David Gibbs
Beau James wrote: > The trigger seems to be that some of our subscriber's ISP domans don't > like "too many" incoming messages per hour from one originating domain. > Worse, some of these ISPs apparently report the domain and the IP address > of the originating MTA to some of the blacklist siets.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spamfromarchives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
> -Original Message- > From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The META tags say don't 'index' the index pages themselves, but follow > the links to the messages, and on the message pages 'index' the > contents, but don't follow links. > > This is appropriate for a public archive. P

Re: [Mailman-Users] Listserv archives import ?

2008-09-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
Max, You may get some response from this list from someone who's done this migration, but basically, you have to pursue this from the Listserv(r) side. Mailman can only import archives which are in *nix mbox format. The tools to do this are bin/cleanarch - to check for/fix unescaped "From " line

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spamfromarchives

2008-09-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Beaumont wrote: >I've just checked myself and the HTML source still seems to allow robots: > on each message and NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> on the index page. I would want >noindex and nofollow on both pages. The META tags say don't 'index' the index pages themselves, but f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Listserv archives import ?

2008-09-08 Thread Max Lanfranconi
Karen, Thanks for you email. Are you sure that this was a listserv migration ? Looks more like a Majordomo migration. In fact, I cannot match my directory hierarchy to yours. Thanks anyway... Max Karen R McArthur wrote: **Information listed in here is not guaranteed - it worked for us** W

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam fromarchives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
I've just checked myself and the HTML source still seems to allow robots: on each message and on the index page. I would want noindex and nofollow on both pages. Changing to private archives doesn't seem to make any difference to that, does it only apply to new archiving? The help is a bit v

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam fromarchives

2008-09-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Christensen wrote: > >It appears that the code which does the obfuscation is in >($prefix)/Mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py between lines 280 and >290 in 2.1.11. (I'm sure someone will correct me if that's wrong info) That's one place. There are several others for addresses in the mes

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread Paul
It helps to disallow but the site is allowing. So possible some engines will bot the whole site: http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt On Mon, September 8, 2008 8:25 am, David Beaumont wrote: > We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not > sent > via mailman). All o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
Thanks is this still the case at http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ ? We have just put a password on so I am hoping that will stop robots too. David > -Original Message- > From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 08 September 2008 20:00 > To: David Beaumont > Cc: mailman-us

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread Bill Christensen
At 6:13 PM +0100 9/8/08, David Beaumont wrote: > >I notice this list's archives are not standard >mailman format! I assume by 'this list' you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED] In what way are the archives "not standard"? Thanks I mean the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40pyth

Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message volune?

2008-09-08 Thread Brian Carpenter
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mailman- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beau James > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:42 PM > To: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message > volune? > > Wondering whether anyo

[Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message volune?

2008-09-08 Thread Beau James
Wondering whether anyone has suggestions for dealing with this situation. I run two mailing lists for coachess (577 members) and referees (377 members) in a local volunteer youth sports group. Not exactly large lists, and typically low traffic - 3 or 4 messages on a busy day, none at all most day

[Mailman-Users] Listserv archives import ?

2008-09-08 Thread Max Lanfranconi
Hi, I have googled this with little luck... :-( Is there anyone who attempted an archive import of listserv archives into mailman ? I am looking for any kind of pointers/hints/suggestions/successes/failures. How you did it, was it successful, any "gotcha' to be aware of ... Thanks in advanc

[Mailman-Users] Listserv archive import into mailman

2008-09-08 Thread Max Lanfranconi
Hi, I have googled this with little luck... :-( Is there anyone who attempted an archive import of listserv archives into mailman ? I am looking for any kind of pointers/hints/suggestions/successes/failures. How you did it, was it successful, any "gotcha' to be aware of ... Thanks in advanc

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam fromarchives

2008-09-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Beaumont wrote: >> >I notice this list's archives are not standard >> >mailman format! >> >> >> I assume by 'this list' you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED] In what way >> are the archives "not standard"? > >Thanks I mean the archives at >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >Ou

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread Brad Knowles
David Beaumont wrote: I notice this list's archives are not standard mailman format! I assume by 'this list' you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED] In what way are the archives "not standard"? Thanks I mean the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ We don't run those. Th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
> >I notice this list's archives are not standard > >mailman format! > > > I assume by 'this list' you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED] In what way > are the archives "not standard"? Thanks I mean the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Ours are at http://lists.shire.net/p

Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Beaumont wrote: >We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not sent >via mailman). All of them have subject headings taken from list emails >already sent out genuinely via mailman. Almost all have our specific list >prefix (but interesting not every one). > >Has an

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem

2008-09-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep mailman >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# > >I not have mailman user. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py | grep MAILMAN >MAILMAN_UID = 'list' >MAILMAN_GID = 'daemon' >MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman' >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# > >

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem

2008-09-08 Thread d3v1ous
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# I not have mailman user. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py | grep MAILMAN MAILMAN_UID = 'list' MAILMAN_GID = 'daemon' MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# I try to run mailman with postfix owned

Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..

2008-09-08 Thread Brad Knowles
Khalil Abbas wrote: and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion.. I've seen the same sort of thing, and it doesn't really matter wha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad

2008-09-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Richard Barrett writes: > > > I guess it is not intended that the old approach with sourceforge of > > putting enhancements into the tracker with patch files attached, > > should be followed with Launchpad. I expect someone is going to tell > > me I should create

Re: [Mailman-Users] Rv: many problems

2008-09-08 Thread Jaione Arrieta
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[Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

2008-09-08 Thread David Beaumont
We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not sent via mailman). All of them have subject headings taken from list emails already sent out genuinely via mailman. Almost all have our specific list prefix (but interesting not every one). Has anyone else had this recently (

Re: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad

2008-09-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Richard Barrett writes: > I guess it is not intended that the old approach with sourceforge of > putting enhancements into the tracker with patch files attached, > should be followed with Launchpad. I expect someone is going to tell > me I should create my own branches of Mailman on Laun