Re: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?

2012-05-19 Thread Brad Knowles
On May 19, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Anne Wainwright wrote: > Thanks for clarifying that, Brad, I wasn't sure what the import of > Mark's messsage was. > > Why would this not be set to 'list' rather than 'bulk'? According to RFC 2076, the "Precedence:" header is "Non-standard, controversial, discourage

Re: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?

2012-05-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 5/19/2012 2:13 AM, Anne Wainwright wrote: > > Why would this not be set to 'list' rather than 'bulk'? List posts are sent with Precedence: list. Notices from Mailman, e.g. held message notices to an admin, invitations and welcome messages to users, password reminders, etc. are all sent with P

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam filters

2012-05-19 Thread " Just Brits " Shop
<< On 5/14/2012 8:54 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: So my mailing lists are getting hit by spam that goes to the lists since it claims to be from some poor subscriber whose email got hijacked. >> Mark, it's nowhere near as bad as the same type/subject Yahoo Lists ! ! ! But to be more general, wha

Re: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?

2012-05-19 Thread " Just Brits " Shop
<...> << On 5/19/2012 10:46 AM, Richard Damon wrote: I will point out that from the recipients point of view, a mailman invite looks to be "Bulk", they have no way to know if you sent it specifically to them or to a large list. <...> One way around this is rather than us the mailman invite fea

Re: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?

2012-05-19 Thread Richard Damon
On 5/18/12 6:14 PM, Anne Wainwright wrote: > Hi, > > For the record the following URL is of interest > > http://www.spamhaus.org/consumer/definition/ > > This clearly makes the point that spam is defined by two factors > > "A message is Spam only if it is both Unsolicited and Bulk" > > and being wh

Re: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?

2012-05-19 Thread Anne Wainwright
Hi, On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:33:03PM -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > On May 18, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Anne Wainwright wrote: > > > For the record the following URL is of interest > > > > http://www.spamhaus.org/consumer/definition/ > > > > This clearly makes the point that spam is defined by two fac

Re: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?

2012-05-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Anne Wainwright writes: > I have sinned and stand repentant. I hate spam as much as anyone and we > get plenty to deal with. Somehow the Viagra and get rich emails didn't > seem to stand on the same level as a once-off invite. They don't, from the point of view of the sender or society at larg

Re: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?

2012-05-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Anne Wainwright writes: > This clearly makes the point that spam is defined by two factors > > "A message is Spam only if it is both Unsolicited and Bulk" That's true, but as far as I can remember definitions of UCE (unsolicited commercial email) have no such restriction to bulk. ---