Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC

That sounds a bit like what yahoo and google groups do. If there's a web forum associated with the list then there'd be the option to simply not deliver to yahoo members, and they can just use the web interface. Peter Shute Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Apr 2014, at 1:39 pm, "Stephen J. Turnbull

[Mailman-Users] Seeking suggestion for better services for mailing list

We are using the services from ultrahost.us There is no response from Ultrahost team in spite of our several tickets loged. Is anyone confronting the similar issue with them? I think now we may again have to change the service provider where we can get unlimited traffic with mailman as per the requ

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

Lindsay Haisley writes: > On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 15:34 -0500, Mike Starr wrote: > > I know there aren't any teeth behind RFCs but it might at least get > > their attention. The real problem is that RFCs are based on working practice, preferably acknowledged best practice. DMARC is an experimen

[Mailman-Users] DMARC

jason fb writes: > Isn't this DMARC issue a bellwether for the end of email lists as > we know them? Yes and no. Those who like mailing lists "as we know them" will continue to use them "that way", assuming that there's no active interference from the infrastructure itself. (This is supported

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mirror mailing list with web forum

> From: rich...@damon-family.org > I have been (slowly) working on an module to integrate a mailing list to > a Drupal web site. My goal is to generate an archive that you can easily > find recent messages in, and then be able to reply back to the list via > the web site. I will need to look at som

Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

Conrad G T Yoder writes: > Since we’re on the topic of items residing at bugs.launchpad.net, > what are the odds of Bug #1067953 > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1067953) getting a little > love? Not quite as easy a change as this one, but would benefit many > I’m sure. Everyone s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

On 04/16/2014 12:20 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > > What great service - 2-day turnaround on bug fixes! (Not that I will be > seeing it any time in the near future with my hosting service :^) We try. Thanks for the appreciation. > Since we’re on the topic of items residing at bugs.launchpad.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mirror mailing list with web forum

On 4/16/14, 7:06 PM, Jon 1234 wrote: > I'd be interested in how others have implemented this. Here are the options > I've identified so far, with some questions. > > I have been (slowly) working on an module to integrate a mailing list to a Drupal web site. My goal is to generate an archive

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On 4/16/2014 4:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote (about my suggestion of manually moderating posts from Yahoo users): But what you are suggesting is essentially what the Wrap Message option introduced as a site option in 2.1.16 and expanded in 2.1.18 does. Well, yes. But: -- if you're working with a

[Mailman-Users] Mirror mailing list with web forum

I'd be interested in how others have implemented this. Here are the options I've identified so far, with some questions. * FUDforum - http://www.fudforum.org/forum/ This is a forum with a 'mailing list manager' admin page. For me, the script to send list emails to the web forum only works from

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reconfiguring Mailman with different with-cgi-gid

On 04/16/2014 03:28 PM, Jon 1234 wrote: > > I see mention of version 2.1.18 in the FAQ about DMARC. How long until > 2.1.18 is released? (I can wait.) I really appreciate the responses, > thank you. It will be very soon. A candidate within a week or so and final maybe early May. -- Mark Sapiro

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reconfiguring Mailman with different with-cgi-gid

> From: m...@msapiro.net > Download the 2.1.17 tarball, unpack it and run configure, make and sudo > make install in the unpack directory which must not be the installation > directory. > > Install it over your existing installation, and everything should be > fine, you shouldn't have to move anyt

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 15:34 -0500, Mike Starr wrote: > I know there aren't any teeth behind RFCs but it might at least get > their attention. Doubtful, but the sentiment is noble. My guess is that the people at Yahoo who implemented this, and possibly also the designers of DMARC, don't fully unde

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

If one is interested in maintaining one's identity, using an ISP's email makes it a pain to change ISPs. Of course, that does make the ISPs very happy. This is a fascinating discussion and as administrator of two very small lists, it's giving me an awful lot to think about. However, being a c

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 23:19:29 +0200 jdd wrote: Hello jdd, >Le 16/04/2014 20:59, Brad Rogers a écrit : >> Because every time you change provider, you would have to change email >> address too. >does this occur often? It can, yes. In the past year, I've changed provider twice. If things contin

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On 04/16/2014 01:30 PM, Tom Lieuallen wrote: > > Thank you very much for the summary of solutions. I was about to > suggest/request it. It may be helpful to add to the wiki as it seems > quite important and complicated. I'd be interested in more mails like > this, helping those of us move forwar

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

Le 16/04/2014 20:59, Brad Rogers a écrit : On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:31:25 +0200 jdd wrote: Hello jdd, (... why people can't use they ISP's mail?) In case that's not a rhetorical question: Because every time you change provider, you would have to change email address too. does this occur of

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

On 04/16/2014 12:49 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > Simple pass-through forwarding/redirection of email is one of the > situations in which SPF fails. Does this in any way impact DMARC? Not if the message is properly DKIM signed by the From: domain. In this case DKIM passes and the domains align

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On 04/16/2014 01:34 PM, Larry Kuenning wrote: > > I've since thought of a third difficulty besides the two I mentioned. > > If the post-to-be-moderated is itself a reply to an earlier post, then > mailman's archive threading will be broken unless the list moderator > goes to the trouble of settin

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

Stephen, Thank you very much for the summary of solutions. I was about to suggest/request it. It may be helpful to add to the wiki as it seems quite important and complicated. I'd be interested in more mails like this, helping those of us move forward and alleviate the issues. Unless I'm o

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On 4/16/2014 1:57 PM, Larry Kuenning wrote: Query: On a very low-traffic mailing list (i.e. one where the list admin doesn't think it too much trouble), would it be a reasonable workaround for the list admin to paste the content of a message-to-be-moderated (i.e. one From: a yahoo address) into

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

On Apr 17, 2014, at 04:34 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Sure, but that's the tradeoff that DMARC explicitly makes. DMARC >thinks that rejecting spam and phishing is sometimes more important >than delivering legitimate mail, and that the provider of a mailbox is >the appropriate entity to make t

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:31:25 +0200 jdd wrote: Hello jdd, >(... why people can't use they ISP's mail?) In case that's not a rhetorical question: Because every time you change provider, you would have to change email address too. When you're subscribed to over one hundred mailing lists, to say

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 04:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > It's not limited to mailing lists, either. Anybody who has a > forwarding mailbox is at some risk (in a personal .forward this is a > simple pass-through preserving the DKIM signature so it should be OK, > but I've seen commercial for

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

Alain Williams writes: > They should have allowed/defined a new 2xy code that could be > returned, eg 253 which means ''Mail accepted but will be > discarded''. That's problematic. It would require an extension negotiated via EHLO at least, and maybe a new SMTP RFC, since there's no registry

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, jason fb wrote: > > > Isn't this DMARC issue a bellwether for the end of email lists as we know > them? It seems to me that the means of production (the internet backbone, > the mail servers, etc) are now owned by Big Media (Comcast, Walt Disney, CBS, > Viacom,

[Mailman-Users] DMARC

Isn't this DMARC issue a bellwether for the end of email lists as we know them? It seems to me that the means of production (the internet backbone, the mail servers, etc) are now owned by Big Media (Comcast, Walt Disney, CBS, Viacom, Time Warner) and it is in their interest to make sure they

Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/14/2014 04:39 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 04/13/2014 10:48 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: >>> >>> I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users >>> of a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On 04/16/2014 11:11 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > (2) You can break your mailing lists by using the author_is_list > option in Mailman 2.1.16 and later. This option will only be > available if the site configuration has ALLOW_AUTHOR_IS_LIST set > to "Yes". This will cause the li

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

Le 16/04/2014 19:57, Larry Kuenning a écrit : also advising yahoo.com list subscribers to get a Gmail account (as free and easy to get as a Yahoo account) so to be sure all your mail a read by google :-) (of course may be yahoo do the same - why people can't use they ISP's mail?) jdd -- ht

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On 04/16/2014 10:57 AM, Larry Kuenning wrote: > > Query: On a very low-traffic mailing list (i.e. one where the list > admin doesn't think it too much trouble), would it be a reasonable > workaround for the list admin to paste the content of a > message-to-be-moderated (i.e. one From: a yahoo add

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote: > > [DMARC's words] > >>o A "silent discard", wherein the SMTP server returns a 2xy reply >> code implying to the client that delivery (or, at least, relay) >> was successfully completed, but then simply discarding the >>

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

On 4/16/2014 12:51 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: What I'm advising list admins here, which puts a band-aid on the problem, is to put all yahoo.com subscribers on moderation, effectively making them read-only subscriptions. Also go through your membership list and clear any nomail disablements with

Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

On 04/16/2014 08:35 AM, Kirke Johnson wrote: > Just to confirm my suspicions, the "chunk" capability requires Mailman > newer than version 2.1.9? If you mean the ability to set admin_member_chunksize from the admin General Options page, then yes, that was added in 2.1.10. Everything else to do w

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

Jose I. Rojas writes: > We have a community group mail list which we run using Mailman and > have lately had a problem getting our emails to members who have > Bellsouth and Yahoo email addresses. I've seen the posts about DMARC > but am not that tech-savvy to figure out what this means and h

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

[DMARC's words] o A "silent discard", wherein the SMTP server returns a 2xy reply code implying to the client that delivery (or, at least, relay) was successfully completed, but then simply discarding the message with no further action. Naturally the people who can't read

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 01:27:23AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > There are several possibilities. One is that DMARC doesn't define the > semantics of "reject". (Why doesn't that surprise me?) Here's what > they say: > >15.4. Rejecting Messages > >This proposal calls for rejecti

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

I'll jump in here and offer the quick solution that I'm using at FMP. The primary culprit here is Yahoo, which publishes a DMARC p=reject policy via DNS. To the best of our knowledge, so far, no one else is doing this, although sbcglobal, att.net, comcast.net, Hotmail and a number of other email s

[Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

Lindsay Haisley writes: > I've been working with the list admins of one of FMP's hosted lists and > they've seen over 100 addresses unsubscribed from the usual suspects - > yahoo.com, att.net, Comcast, etc., but no Gmail accounts and there are > 228 of them on the list. Nonetheless, the PC Wo

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

We have a community group mail list which we run using Mailman and have lately had a problem getting our emails to members who have Bellsouth and Yahoo email addresses. I've seen the posts about DMARC but am not that tech-savvy to figure out what this means and how to resolve. Some of our member

Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

Just to confirm my suspicions, the "chunk" capability requires Mailman newer than version 2.1.9? Another question: is there a way to negate the findmember search, so that all members not in the example.com domain could be shown? Thanks! Kirke Johnson Internet: kjohn

Re: [Mailman-Users] More mass unsubscriptions

On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 07:55 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/16/2014 07:40 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > This morning at 9 AM CDT one of FMP's lists here saw another mass > > unsubscription event - 51 subscribers with the usual ESP addresses: > > hotmail, yahoo, comcast, bellsouth, etc. Checking

Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

On 04/16/2014 08:06 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > In the mean time, another work > around is when you click the link for another chunk and get the > unfiltered chunk back with a URL like > > in the browsers address bar, add the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing sub-letter search lists

On 04/14/2014 04:39 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/13/2014 10:48 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: >> >> I have a large list (7600 addresses), and when I search for a list of users >> of a popular domain (e.g. yahoo.com), I of course get a large result set >> back - sometimes more than 50 beginning wit

Re: [Mailman-Users] More mass unsubscriptions

On 04/16/2014 07:40 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > This morning at 9 AM CDT one of FMP's lists here saw another mass > unsubscription event - 51 subscribers with the usual ESP addresses: > hotmail, yahoo, comcast, bellsouth, etc. Checking the list archive, > there have been no posts to the list from

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

On 04/16/2014 06:58 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > Has anyone seen issues with Gmail accounts and Yahoo's DMARC policy? > I've been working with the list admins of one of FMP's hosted lists and > they've seen over 100 addresses unsubscribed from the usual suspects - > yahoo.com, att.net, Comcast, etc

[Mailman-Users] More mass unsubscriptions

This morning at 9 AM CDT one of FMP's lists here saw another mass unsubscription event - 51 subscribers with the usual ESP addresses: hotmail, yahoo, comcast, bellsouth, etc. Checking the list archive, there have been no posts to the list from yahoo.com since the 13th. Someone else must be publis

Re: [Mailman-Users] handler to auto detach attachment and link it to a website keeping html

On 04/15/2014 09:08 AM, Sylvain Viart wrote: > > I borrowed a code from Mailman/Handlers/MimeDel.py > > def reset_payload(msg, txt, fname, url): > # Reset payload of msg to contents of subpart, and fix up content > headers > msg.set_payload(txt) > del msg['content-type'] > del msg

[Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

Has anyone seen issues with Gmail accounts and Yahoo's DMARC policy? I've been working with the list admins of one of FMP's hosted lists and they've seen over 100 addresses unsubscribed from the usual suspects - yahoo.com, att.net, Comcast, etc., but no Gmail accounts and there are 228 of them on t

Re: [Mailman-Users] NEED HELP: Mailman is not archiving

On 04/15/2014 01:23 PM, Shavkat_BEK wrote: > > I recently found out that the mailman is not archiving most of the mailing > lists. Here is some info that might give you some idea of what is going on. ... > 2. /var/log/mailman/error: > > Apr 15 08:08:53 2014 (15279) SHUNTING: > 1396932558.512722+3

Re: [Mailman-Users] email subscribe command not responding

On 04/16/2014 04:25 AM, Mailman Admin wrote: > > Am 2014-04-15 23:25, schrieb Walt Thiessen: >> I have a list where the email command to subscribe another user doesn't >> seem to work when I include it in the body of an email and send it to >> mylist-requ...@mydomain.tld. >> >> subscribe [$<$PASSW

Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, "Service Unavailable".

On 04/15/2014 06:50 PM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > > So it really doesn’t affect domain email hosted by Yahoo such as att.net, > sbcglobal.net, ymail.com, etc? Yahoo has not added a dmarc p=reject record > for email from these domains? Short answer: That's correct. Long answer: mark@Notebook

Re: [Mailman-Users] email subscribe command not responding

Hello Walt Thiessen Am 2014-04-15 23:25, schrieb Walt Thiessen: > I have a list where the email command to subscribe another user doesn't > seem to work when I include it in the body of an email and send it to > mylist-requ...@mydomain.tld. > > subscribe [$<$PASSWORD$>$] [digest|nodigest] [addres

[Mailman-Users] email subscribe command not responding

I have a list where the email command to subscribe another user doesn't seem to work when I include it in the body of an email and send it to mylist-requ...@mydomain.tld. subscribe [$<$PASSWORD$>$] [digest|nodigest] [address=$<$ADDRESS$>$] When I try to use it, I get no notification back of an

Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, "Service Unavailable".

On Apr 15, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: >> On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 12:38 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: >>> Just to be clear, all those domains (other than yahoo.com) will bounce >>> email to you if your list sends out an email from

[Mailman-Users] NEED HELP: Mailman is not archiving

Hello, I have a lot of mailing lists that I have to look after. NB: I am not familiar with mailman. I recently found out that the mailman is not archiving most of the mailing lists. Here is some info that might give you some idea of what is going on. 1. /var/log/mailman/qrunner: Apr 13 04:02:04