Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Laura Creighton
Aha, I now see that you know not to replace your system Python. Sorry for the note in haste, but if you were about to do such a thing I needed to tell you NO! DON'T DO THAT! in a hurry. Apologies, apologies ... (from somebody who only learned that about CentOS only _after_ she thought

Re: [Mailman-Users] ListProc to Mailman migration -- any tools or guides?

2015-03-02 Thread Chris Nulk
On 3/2/2015 12:44 PM, bill.co...@unh.edu wrote: Chris Nulk cn...@scu.edu recently wrote, in part... Remember that communications with the list owners is extremely important. Indeed! [snip] We did change how we populated several of our lists though which was a bit of a challange (we went

Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/02/2015 01:56 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: I have been away. I get to this discussion late, and so sorry if this has been mentioned, but YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT CHANGE YOUR CENTOS SYSTEM PYTHON 2.4.3 OR YOU WILL BREAK YOUR WHOLE PACKAGING SYSTEM! Quite true. I found this out the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:15:01 -0500, bill.co...@unh.edu writes: Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net recently posted, in part... Are you installing Mailman 2.1.19 on the Red Hat system or using whatever Red Hat rpm package that's available, and if the latter, what is that? And, what

Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Laura Creighton writes: Apologies, apologies ... (from somebody who only learned that about CentOS only _after_ she thought thatinstalling a more modern Python system-wide would be in everybody's interest) Yes, indeed. Don't touch /usr/bin/python is an ancient Red Hat and Centos

Re: [Mailman-Users] ListProc to Mailman migration -- any tools or guides?

2015-03-02 Thread Bill . Costa
Chris Nulk cn...@scu.edu recently wrote, in part... Remember that communications with the list owners is extremely important. Indeed! What we did was: 0. Have a firm timeframe to complete the change over. Haven't picked the date yet -- nor have I told the users what is coming yet until I

Re: [Mailman-Users] ListProc to Mailman migration -- any tools or guides?

2015-03-02 Thread Bill . Costa
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net recently posted, in part... I know nothing of the internals of ListProc, so I can't help directly, No problem there -- ListProc I know, warts and all. but there are a couple of Majordomo to Mailman conversion scripts (written in perl) in Mailman's contrib

[Mailman-Users] List member seen as non-member by Mailman?

2015-03-02 Thread Ulf Dunkel
I am running Mailman 2.1.16 on an up-to-date Ubuntu Linux machine. On one of the lists, I frequently get admin messages to accept messages to the list, sent by non-members. But when I check them, their email addresses are definitely in the list. None of the members are set to be moderated, nor

[Mailman-Users] ListProc to Mailman migration -- any tools or guides?

2015-03-02 Thread Bill . Costa
I'm going to be migrating about 400 lists with 25K subscribers from ListProc to Mailman. I'm looking for whatever tools I can find to aid in the conversion process. Of particular concern is the creation of the replacement list in Mailman with a reasonable mapping of the ListProc settings into

[Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Bill . Costa
I'm going to be doing a new Mailman installation on a Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) system 5.11 with Python 2.4.3. The goal is to convert existing ListProc mailing lists to Mailman without having to change the addresses for the lists. I've done a similar conversion in the past many years ago

Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn
I'm going to be doing a new Mailman installation on a Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) system 5.11 with Python 2.4.3. The goal is to convert existing ListProc mailing lists to Mailman without having to change the addresses for the lists. I've done a similar conversion in the past many years

Re: [Mailman-Users] List member seen as non-member by Mailman?

2015-03-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/02/2015 03:43 AM, Ulf Dunkel wrote: On one of the lists, I frequently get admin messages to accept messages to the list, sent by non-members. But when I check them, their email addresses are definitely in the list. I'd like a bit more information. When you go to the admindb summary

Re: [Mailman-Users] List member seen as non-member by Mailman?

2015-03-02 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 3/2/2015 3:43 AM, Ulf Dunkel wrote: On one of the lists, I frequently get admin messages to accept messages to the list, sent by non-members. But when I check them, their email addresses are definitely in the list. I've seen similar- check both the sender and envelope addresses in the

Re: [Mailman-Users] ListProc to Mailman migration -- any tools or guides?

2015-03-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/02/2015 07:24 AM, bill.co...@unh.edu wrote: I'm going to be migrating about 400 lists with 25K subscribers from ListProc to Mailman. I'm looking for whatever tools I can find to aid in the conversion process. Of particular concern is the creation of the replacement list in Mailman with

Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/02/2015 08:22 AM, bill.co...@unh.edu wrote: My question is, are there any quirks or gotchas that I should be aware of in going from the old RHEL/Python platform to the new one? Is there anything I can do on the old system now that will make migration to the new platform easier? For

Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Chris Nulk
On 3/2/2015 9:53 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 03/02/2015 08:22 AM, bill.co...@unh.edu wrote: My question is, are there any quirks or gotchas that I should be aware of in going from the old RHEL/Python platform to the new one? Is there anything I can do on the old system now that will make

Re: [Mailman-Users] ListProc to Mailman migration -- any tools or guides?

2015-03-02 Thread Chris Nulk
A few years ago, we switched from ListProc to Mailman. We didn't have as extensive a set of lists as do you however. Remember that communications with the list owners is extremely important. What we did was: 0. Have a firm timeframe to complete the change over. 1. Try to weed out as many

Re: [Mailman-Users] Jump from Python 2.4 to 2.7...

2015-03-02 Thread Bill . Costa
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net recently posted, in part... Are you installing Mailman 2.1.19 on the Red Hat system or using whatever Red Hat rpm package that's available, and if the latter, what is that? And, what Mailman will you be using on the RHEL 7 system? Well my original plan was to