I'm glad to hear that, although I think I'll have to try it to get my head
around it.
Peter Shute
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On 22 Jul 2014, at 3:54 pm, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
On 07/21/2014 06:50 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
That was my impression too. It sounds less disruptive, but I
Hi Peter,
To answer your question, Dreamhost has the *almost* newest version of MailMan
2.1.17. They upgraded just as 2.1.18 came out and had already tested 2.1.17 so
they went with that. And this version does have the most important DMARC
mitigation features. So it is working for us.
I have
Thanks, Dave. How are you coping with yahoo emails if you've only got 2.1.17? I
can't remember what changes it's got in it, but I thought the latest dealt with
it better.
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
On 22 Jul 2014, at 3:59 am, Dave Nathanson dave.li...@nathanson.org wrote:
Hi Peter,
-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Thanks, Dave. How are you coping with yahoo emails if you've only got
2.1.17? I can't remember what changes it's got in it, but I thought the
latest
dealt with it better.
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
On 22
Peter Shute writes:
Thanks, Dave. How are you coping with yahoo emails if you've only
got 2.1.17? I can't remember what changes it's got in it, but I
thought the latest dealt with it better.
IIRC the big difference between 2.1.17 and 2.1.18-1[1] is that in
2.1.17 the DMARC-mitigation
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
IIRC the big difference between 2.1.17 and 2.1.18-1[1] is that in
2.1.17 the DMARC-mitigation features[2] are applied to *all*
posts, whereas in 2.1.18 you have the option of checking the
DMARC policy and only making those ugly changes to posts
*from domains
Peter Shute writes:
That was my impression too. It sounds less disruptive, but I wonder
if the resulting variability of behaviour of Reply and Reply all
would just cause confusion.
Well, I can get away with a policy of Friends don't let friends use
Yahoo! and be ornery about it, so take my
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
That was my impression too. It sounds less disruptive, but
I wonder if the resulting variability of behaviour of
Reply and Reply all would just cause confusion.
But you're right, people do report the difference. So it
It's the people who don't notice the
On 07/21/2014 06:50 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
That was my impression too. It sounds less disruptive, but I wonder if the
resulting variability of behaviour of Reply and Reply all would just cause
confusion.
In 2.1.18-1, with minor exceptions, 'reply' and 'reply all' do the same
things on a
Hi Peter, Mark and all
I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators).
My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for
my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out
of the water EVERY time someone posts!
I'm not
I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a
personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running
MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email
hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look
No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with
that sort of setup?
Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? We're still on 2.1.15, and when I
asked about upgrading, they wouldn't commit to any date, only that it would be
more likely to be months than a month.
Dreamhost also throttles their SMTP servers:
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/SMTP_quota
By not keeping their Mailman installation up to date is also VERY
problematic since certain ISPs' DMARC policies impacts mailing lists
everywhere. If you were serious about your mailing list(s), I would not use
: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Dreamhost also throttles their SMTP servers:
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/SMTP_quota
By not keeping their Mailman installation up to date is also
VERY problematic since certain ISPs' DMARC policies impacts
Always beware when businesses attempt to describe their competitor’s products.
That’s pretty disingenuous of you, Brian. On that page you mention, it plainly
says:
Discussion Lists (created via our control panel): unlimited recipients per
hour
• Max recipients per message: unlimited
•
On 07/20/2014 08:25 AM, Dave Nathanson wrote:
I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a
personal email account to a listserve.
Don Quixote says see the FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+is+not+Listserv.
That said, if you search the archives of this
Mark Sapiro wrote:
That said, if you search the archives of this list, you will
find many reports of hosting services that provide Mailman
list support and limit outgoing mail rates from those lists.
Is limiting normally applied strictly per recipient? Or does it reduce the
problem if lots
On 07/20/2014 08:06 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
Is limiting normally applied strictly per recipient? Or does it reduce the
problem if lots of the members are on one domain? 50% of our members are with
just 5 domains.
It depends on the specific service and their policies. They could limit
Peter Shute writes:
No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem
odd with that sort of setup?
To me it seems like a good way to chase away customers, but IIRC over
the years many people have posted to this list about such limitations
(usually under the subject of how do
On 7/20/2014 3:35 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date?
My 'understanding' is that above has a non-answer because there is
allegedly distinct difference between an ISP offering MM 2.1.15 and
QUIETLY offering cPanel's version ALSO bearing the I.D. as
Mark Sapiro wrote:
Is limiting normally applied strictly per recipient? Or
does it reduce the problem if lots of the members are on one
domain? 50% of our members are with just 5 domains.
It depends on the specific service and their policies. They
could limit recipients or SMTP
: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 4:30 PM
To: Barry S. Finkel
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Barry S. Finkel writes:
On 7/14/2014 8:43 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
Would grey listing show up in the headers? We haven't
installedgrey listing
On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world for me.
I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that look like
this:
2014-07-17T07:02:03.914Z,NUWVICMS2\Default
Barry S. Finkel writes:
On 7/14/2014 8:43 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
Would grey listing show up in the headers? We haven't installed
grey listing here, but who know what our anti spam does. If it's
using it then it certainly isn't using it consistently. I can't
see anything in the
As a moderator of our list, I know when messages are approved, and I'm seeing
very erratic delivery times to my own address, which is on an Exchange server.
They used to come through within a minute or so, now they can take 20 minutes
or an hour.
I subscribed my gmail address for comparison,
Just for interest, the email below took 15 minutes to arrive back. I'm sure
they normally come back way faster than that, which makes me think it's a
problem with the Exchange server.
But what sort of problem makes a server take longer to receive a list message
than a direct message?
Peter
On July 14, 2014 4:29:16 AM PDT, Peter Shute psh...@nuw.org.au wrote:
Can I assume this has nothing to do with mailman?
Look at the Received: headers in the received message to determine where the
delay is.
Could grey listing be involved?
--
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net
Sent from my
...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014 10:55 PM
To: Peter Shute; GNU mailman users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
On July 14, 2014 4:29:16 AM PDT, Peter Shute
psh...@nuw.org.au wrote:
Can I assume this has nothing to do with mailman?
Look
-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014 10:55 PM
To: Peter Shute; GNU mailman users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
On July 14, 2014 4:29:16 AM PDT, Peter Shute
psh...@nuw.org.au wrote:
Can I assume
On 07/14/2014 06:55 PM, Barry S. Finkel wrote:
On 7/14/2014 8:43 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
Would grey listing show up in the headers? We haven't installed grey
listing here, but who know what our anti spam does.
Greylisting may or may not show in headers depending on the software
doing it. For
.
Peter Shute
-Original Message-
From: Mailman-Users
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 12:59 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
On 07/14/2014 06:55 PM
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