Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/31/08 14:25, Barry Warsaw wrote: Load on the wiki is probably not too big of a deal; it's supposedly on a fairly beefy virtual host connected to a big pipe. The security issue is worth considering though. Can the wiki actually do the redirect(s) with out relying on an HTML refresh to a

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: on 12/31/08 12:55 AM, Grant Taylor said: I think this is what /should/ be done. And what I was (poorly) trying to get at. So, the offer for help with Apache / PHP / DB code is still applicable

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/31/08 10:12, Brad Knowles wrote: One trick here is exactly where we put our documentation on this matter. If we do it within the wiki, then most anyone should be able to update it on demand, although I'm not sure what additional load this might create on the wiki. We might also want to

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-31 Thread Brad Knowles
on 12/31/08 12:55 AM, Grant Taylor said: I think this is what /should/ be done. And what I was (poorly) trying to get at. So, the offer for help with Apache / PHP / DB code is still applicable and still stands. :) One trick here is exactly where we put our documentation on this matter. I

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/30/2008 12:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman web interface and other documentation currently contains links to documentation on the python.org web site. These links have been broken by changes at python.org, a site over which we

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: the new docs.python.org organization. I can ask the pdo admins and doc folks to set up redirects if possible, and may be able to set those redirects up myself. Please submit a b

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote: > >the new docs.python.org organization. I can ask the pdo admins and >doc folks to set up redirects if possible, and may be able to set >those redirects up myself. > >Please submit a bug report on the issue, indicating which links are >broken. It might be best to do this on t

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 30, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman web interface and other documentation currently contains links to documentation on the python.org web site. These links have been b

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-30 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:01:58AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman web > interface and other documentation currently contains links to > documentation on the python.org web site. These links have been broken > by changes at python.org,

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
Grant Taylor wrote: > >Seeing as how both Stephen and Adam have mentioned redirects, I figured >I'd add some more information. You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman web interface and other documentation currently contains links to documentation on the python.org w

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-29 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/29/2008 08:29 PM, Taylor, Grant wrote: I'm sure that it's not only Mailman that has been hurt by the changed URLs. Besides, I'd be very tempted to set up 302, or better 301, redirects from the old URLs to the new URLs. That way if /anyone/ does accidentally enter the old URL they are re

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-29 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 07:29:59PM -0600, Brad Knowles wrote: > on 12/29/08 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro said: > > >I am aware the the python.org documentation URLs have all changed. > >Unfortunately, it's not a simple mapping. E.g., the above becomes > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > So, they don't give a flying flip about what happens to the Mailman > community when they change their documentation or their URLs. Whatever happened to the principle that URLs shouldn't just disappear? How about TOOWTDI? And the closely related DRY (don't repeat yours

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-29 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/29/2008 07:29 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: Part of the problem is that the people who maintain the official python.org documentation for this information feel that Mailman should not be referencing their documentation, instead we should have our own internal version of the same information.

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-29 Thread Brad Knowles
on 12/29/08 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro said: I am aware the the python.org documentation URLs have all changed. Unfortunately, it's not a simple mapping. E.g., the above becomes or equivalently

Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Welch wrote: > >It appears that at least some of the help files are no longer available at the >links embedded in Mailman, like this one: >http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html I am aware the the python.org documentation URLs have all changed. Unfortunately, it's not a sim

[Mailman-Users] help files

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Welch
version 2.1.11 It appears that at least some of the help files are no longer available at the links embedded in Mailman, like this one: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html I wonder if someone with the keys to Mailman and/or python.org can fix this. - - - - - - - - - - - - Mich