Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources

On 04/21/2015 12:18 PM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > 2015-04-21 21:23 GMT+03:00 Mark Sapiro : >> But this raises the question, if you are installing Mailman from source, >> why do you still have artifacts from the distro's package still in your >> installation. > > Why you name them 'artefacts'? I consi

Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources

2015-04-21 23:10 GMT+03:00 Mark Sapiro : > They are things that are in some sense left over from a prior install of > a distro's Mailman package. Had you just installed Mailman from source > without ever installing the package, you would not be aware of them. > Thus, they are artifacts left over fr

Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources

On 04/21/2015 01:38 PM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > Using 'service' scripts to control ALL server's services (Mailman IS a > service irrespective of its version, right?) isn't absurd or > non-sense. I think one should respect distribution structure and keep > things work as distribution creator's int

Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources

2015-04-22 0:05 GMT+03:00 Mark Sapiro : > The source distribution also includes an init.d script at > scripts/mailman and instructions for installing it are in comments at > its beginning and in the installation manual at > , so you can see, we > def

Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources

On 04/21/2015 02:17 PM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > You described cron entries copying procedure as 'artifacts' Yes, I described the specific content of your init.d/mailman script as an artifact[1] if your package. >> Do we have a communication disconnect of some kind here? > > Perhaps. :) I u

Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources

On 4/21/2015 1:38 PM, Danil Smirnov wrote: Using 'service' scripts to control ALL server's services [...] Considering this 'packagers related' stuff as not important and insisting on 'native' way to use cron has less sense for me than the opposite. Why standard control of Mailman service in ver

[Mailman-Users] packages vs sources (was: Cron command?)

2015-04-21 19:47 GMT+03:00 Mark Sapiro : > This is a packager thing (RHEL/CentOS ?). Mailman as distributed by the > GNU Mailman project does not do this (never did). Our docs are > and recommend > installing our crontab as a user crontab with the c

Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources (was: Cron command?)

On 04/21/2015 10:37 AM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > Many people rely on their distribution packagers - is this bad? > > I always prefer to use yum/apt-get instead of compiling software from source. > The reasons are obvious (all they are in any package system mission > statement). > > Mailman is o

Re: [Mailman-Users] packages vs sources (was: Cron command?)

2015-04-21 21:23 GMT+03:00 Mark Sapiro : > But this raises the question, if you are installing Mailman from source, > why do you still have artifacts from the distro's package still in your > installation. Why you name them 'artefacts'? I consider them very convenient technology working great for