Re: [mailop] Issue with Mailop 'From' header

2019-08-16 Thread Ángel via mailop
It's horrible that we need to resort to this. But nice. Thanks for sharing, Chris On 2019-08-15 at 20:15 -0400, Luke via mailop wrote: > This seems like a reasonable work around :p > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 7:19 PM Chris Adams via mailop > wrote: > > Once upon a time, Grant Taylor >

Re: [mailop] Hotmail: Moving Email to 'spam' folder generates ISP complaint?

2019-08-16 Thread Ángel via mailop
On 2019-08-16 at 10:47 +0200, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > He moves read emails he does not want to keep to the 'spam' folder, > because they disappear after a couple of days. > > So if he moved one by mistake, he can still find it and move it > back. Emails he does not care about get deleted automati

Re: [mailop] Hotmail: Moving Email to 'spam' folder generates ISP complaint?

2019-08-16 Thread Paul Smith via mailop
On 16/08/2019 09:47, Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: Yes, this is exactly the 'feature' one of the customers described to me. He moves read emails he does not want to keep to the 'spam' folder, because they disappear after a couple of days. Don't 'deleted' messages disappear after a few day

Re: [mailop] Hotmail: Moving Email to 'spam' folder generates ISP complaint?

2019-08-16 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hi Mathieu > I don't see that as a problem, I mean I completly understand the logic behind > that. If someone wants to organize their inbox they can create subfolders > easily, using the spam folder to "rearrange" your emails is just plain > stupid, especially as mails in the spam folder are de

Re: [mailop] Hotmail: Moving Email to 'spam' folder generates ISP complaint?

2019-08-16 Thread Mathieu Bourdin via mailop
Yeah, Microsoft has confirmed (can't remember if it was on this mailing list or during a conference) that any mail placed in the spam folder by the user (be it by clicking the "spam" button or by moving it by hand) triggers a complaint report. I don't see that as a problem, I mean I completly u

Re: [mailop] Hotmail: Moving Email to 'spam' folder generates ISP complaint?

2019-08-16 Thread Thomas Walter via mailop
Hey, On 16.08.19 09:47, Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: > So I wonder, does the simple act of moving of an email to the hotmail > spam folder generate a spam complaint to the ISP? And possibly impact > the sender IP reputation? Yes. Because people are stupid and do not understand the difference

[mailop] Hotmail: Moving Email to 'spam' folder generates ISP complaint?

2019-08-16 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hi List A couple of days ago we found out, that Mircosoft offers an Feedback Loop to received complaints about spam incidents. Perfect, one more source we can use to detect and block phished customers's account or trojanized devices. So we enabled this. That works good so far, but we also repeat