Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

On 2020-08-03 17:39, Jerry Cloe via mailop wrote: It could also be argued as case law against other blacklist providers. As I understand US law, defaults do not provide any form of precedent or other form of useful case law. There might well be exceptions, of course. ___

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

In article you write: >Right...the thing is that a default judgement is still a judgement. And >because they are in the UK doesn't mean that it can't be enforced against >them.. in the UK. They're not in the UK. They're in Andorra: https://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/Organization#92 I don'

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

In article <28453035-f078-4311-8472-1aa190c45...@isipp.com> you write: > > >> Did you not read what I quoted from the Spamhaus website? They are based >> in Switzerland and Andorra, not the UK. My assumption is that there is >> basically no chance of any U.S. ruling being enforced in either of thes

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

I'm pretty sure "spammers lie" holds up in court. :P On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 5:59 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > > > >> From the judgement: > >> "The plaintiff has shown that it has complied with the Hague Convention > and personally served a representative author

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

>> From the judgement: >> "The plaintiff has shown that it has complied with the Hague Convention and >> personally served a representative authorized to accept service of process >> in London." > > Rule #1 of spam: Spammers lie. Absolutely. However, a court isn't going to take a party's wor

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

On 8/3/20 17:31, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote: Did you not read what I quoted from the Spamhaus website? They are based in Switzerland and Andorra, not the UK. My assumption is that there is basically no chance of any U.S. ruling being enforced in either of these two countries, unle

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

>> Did you not read what I quoted from the Spamhaus website? They are based >> in Switzerland and Andorra, not the UK. My assumption is that there is >> basically no chance of any U.S. ruling being enforced in either of these >> two countries, unless it is related to a serious crime. I should ela

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

> Did you not read what I quoted from the Spamhaus website? They are based > in Switzerland and Andorra, not the UK. My assumption is that there is > basically no chance of any U.S. ruling being enforced in either of these > two countries, unless it is related to a serious crime. From the judgem

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

* Anne P. Mitchell: > the thing is that a default judgement is still a judgement. And > because they are in the UK doesn't mean that it can't be enforced > against them.. in the UK. Did you not read what I quoted from the Spamhaus website? They are based in Switzerland and Andorra, not the UK. My

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

> default judgment, Spamhaus is not a US organization or wasn't properly served > or whatever. Right...the thing is that a default judgement is still a judgement. And because they are in the UK doesn't mean that it can't be enforced against them.. in the UK. Here are two good articles abou

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

That might be a dangerous assumption (admittedly I'm no lawyer) that this means zip. It may not mean much against Spamhaus directly, but any kind of injunction against them could in theory be used against anyone who uses Spamhaus services. It could also be argued as case law against other blackl

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

Whether or not they were, the Court considered Spamhaus served: > At the first hearing on March 12, 2020, an issue arose on whether the > plaintiff had properly served the > defendant under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 4. The plaintiff was > granted leave to submit a brief on the > issue. See F

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

* Brandon Long via mailop: > default judgment, Spamhaus is not a US organization or wasn't properly > served or whatever. Looks like it. https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ states: "Founded in 1998, Spamhaus is based in Geneva, Switzerland, and Andorra la Vella, Andorra [...]" From what

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

Following up on my own post, it was a default judgement (we just posted the memorandum here: https://www.theinternetpatrol.com/databaseusa-wins-case-against-spamhaus-in-matter-of-databaseusa-v-spamhaus-in-federal-court/ ..and will be adding our own commentary shortly). DatabaseUSA has been give

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCOURTS-ned-8_19-cv-00423/context default judgment, Spamhaus is not a US organization or wasn't properly served or whatever. Brandon On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:49 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > This is disturbing, although I

[mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

This is disturbing, although I don't know any of the back story. Is there anything of which anybody is aware that would somehow change how concerning this is? -- DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project DatabaseUSA, a provider of data and email marketing services, has won a victory

Re: [mailop] Gmail IMAP xyzzy ?

I have the same combination on my luggage... On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:14 PM Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > By a complete coincidence, Don Woods worked on Gmail related stuff after > we acquired Postini... but didn't add this code. > > Brandon > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 3:45 PM John Levine via

Re: [mailop] Gmail IMAP xyzzy ?

By a complete coincidence, Don Woods worked on Gmail related stuff after we acquired Postini... but didn't add this code. Brandon On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 3:45 PM John Levine via mailop wrote: > When I connect to Gmail's IMAP server, one of the capbilities it > advertises is "xyzzy". Anyone know

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Need help with Microsoft S3150 and Yahoo TSS09 on recently transferred /24

To the best of my knowledge, S3150 is not Office365 affecting. The IP didn’t show up on any blocks for the Office365 side of the house when I checked. So I’m unsure of your point? Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Open

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft contact - JMRP issue

I'm really not in a position to assist with JMRP issues. You pretty much have to go thru the web-based resources. Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Open a ticket for Hotmail

Re: [mailop] Microsoft contact - JMRP issue

Hey, Yes the issue here is not the registration itself on JMRP for the /18, it will be exploded indeed in /24. But the range is still partly enrolled on few JMRP programs from the previous owner(s), and we can't enroll the range on our own JMRP if that IPs are still on theirs. I've contacted the g

Re: [mailop] Microsoft contact - JMRP issue

If you want to learn from my past fumbling -- I register everything with SNDS and JMRP as /24 (or smaller), nothing bigger. Once upon a time I found that sometimes it seemed to treat a submission as though it were only a /24 even though it was a larger range (/18 or /20). That may/may not still be

[mailop] Microsoft contact - JMRP issue

Hey Michael or any other MS folk, Could you please contact me off list for some help on a JMRP program for a /18 registration? Thank you very much in advance, Simon, Head of Deliverability at Sendinblue ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https:/