Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Ángel via mailop
Am 27.03.21 um 15:29 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner: > Forwarding is most often used by recipients to achieve their > preferred way of handling mail, so rejecting mails that they want to > receive would mean you ignore their wishes as recipients in > favor of the wishes of the senders who often don't t

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop
Am 27.03.21 um 18:15 schrieb John Levine via mailop: It appears that Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop said: Yes, there are such cases but I don't think they apply for this list. Yes - the list breaks DKIM (which is already something which should be avoided since I do not see a need to modify the

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Heiko Schlittermann via mailop
John Levine via mailop (Sa 27 Mär 2021 16:05:59 CET): > For example, I handle the web site and mail for my local town > government, forwarding many of the addresses to their Gmail accounts. We > were losing a lot of mail from the US Census bureau which had p=reject > and no DKIM signatures. If yo

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop said: >Yes, there are such cases but I don't think they apply for this list. > >Yes - the list breaks DKIM (which is already something which should be >avoided since I do not see a need to modify the body with a footer It adds subject tags, too. Th

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Renaud Allard via mailop said: >> For now we will handle reject and quarantine policies equally as >> quarantine. > >Why not respect the will of the senders and reject when they ask to do so? Because we know from painful experience that what senders say and what senders do often

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop
Am 27.03.21 um 15:43 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop: Am 27.03.21 um 15:29 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop: One problem with SPF/DKIM/DMARC is that due to non-malicious manipulation of messages (for example forwarding etc.) messages may look invalid at the receiving site. I just

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 27.03.21 um 15:29 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop: > > One problem with SPF/DKIM/DMARC is that due to non-malicious manipulation of > messages (for example forwarding etc.) > messages may look invalid at the receiving site. I just noticed that the mails in this mailing list are such an

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 27.03.21 um 14:07 schrieb Renaud Allard via mailop: > > > On 09/03/2021 18:38, Arne Allisat via mailop wrote: >> Just a short info to whom it might interest: >> >> Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all >> mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com >>

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Renaud Allard via mailop
On 09/03/2021 18:38, Arne Allisat via mailop wrote: Just a short info to whom it might interest: Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com . That covers several hundred of recipient domains [1] and roug

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

2021-03-27 Thread Bjoern Franke via mailop
Hi, > > Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all > mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com . > That covers several hundred of recipient domains [1] and roughly 50% of > the German email users. maybe you should fix this: : host mx-ha02.web.de[2