On Tue 28/Dec/2021 12:11:15 +0100 Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
Am 28.12.21 um 11:08 schrieb Alessandro Vesely via mailop:
Yeah, we inevitably fall back to IP address lists. Perhaps not so much
because it's easier to outline a perimeter using numbers than names, but
because it's rathe
On 29/12/2021 14:15, Mark Foster via mailop wrote:
So your attitude is fine if you're a _good_ platform operator _and the
victim _
Most operators will be better operators, as most of us dont have tools
scanning its users emails to target advertising and christ knows what
else they do with th
On 29/12/2021 14:15, Mark Foster via mailop wrote:
I use Roundcube myself and as a _user_ of the software, it hadn't
occurred to me that, much like Gmail, people who send emails using this
webmail tool have _full anonymity_ (except, of course, from the service
operator).
Should have included
Dnia 29.12.2021 o godz. 20:48:25 Noel Butler via mailop pisze:
> >I for one look forward to Roundcube building in the option to have
> >the web IP included in headers,
>
> Mark, you do realise, that information *is already there* in the
> header, well, for network operators it is, as its encrypted
Am 29.12.21 um 13:32 schrieb Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop:
As far as I know, Gmail puts the originating IP of the client (browser)
connecting via HTTP into the first "Received" header, as plain text.
No, they don't. As a spamfighter, I'd wish they did, but I do understand the
related privacy conc
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 21:59 -0500, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> It appears that yuv via mailop said:
> > The first thing to make internet email viable for the future is to
> > establish a defensible perimeter and keep bad actors out. Easier
> > said
> > than done. ...
>
> Unfortunately, e-mai
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 15:27 +0100, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
> Am 28.12.21 um 14:31 schrieb yuv via mailop:
> >
> > The problem is behavioral, not technological. More technology is
> > not the solution.
>
> I'm a software developer, not a lawyer. And as you certainly know, if
> the on
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 07:17 -0800, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
> The world has gone far too anal in it's approach to privacy, at the
> expense of security, IMHO.
The "world" does not understand privacy. Most of the experts who
understand are hired by the entities who stand to lose if the
On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 12:19 -0600, Richard W via mailop wrote:
> Those that advocate IP addresses are PII still drive around with a
> license plate on their car. That's even more PII out in the open as
> that is a static IP.
Those that advocate what is PII and what is not are diverting from wha
On Thu, 2021-12-23 at 21:02 -0700, Dave Warren via mailop wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 08:39, yuv via mailop wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-12-18 at 15:13 +0100, Alexey Shpakovsky via mailop
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, December 18, 2021 13:50, yuv via mailop wrote:
> > > > What makes the difference between [the sm
On 12/29/2021 4:40 AM, yuv via mailop wrote:
Unfortunately, e-mail walled gardens are a Well Known Bad Idea.
RFCs-based e-mail is a walled garden. We lawyers call this the Rule of
Law.
That's very creative. Not what is normally meant, and not even slightly
useful. But very creative.
We
On 29/12/2021 11:48 pm, Noel Butler via mailop wrote:
abuse reports filed with them... there's little evidence of this to an
end-user/victim...)
I for one look forward to Roundcube building in the option to have
the web IP included in headers,
Mark, you do realise, that information *is alre
On 29/12/2021 11:58 pm, Noel Butler via mailop wrote:
On 29/12/2021 14:15, Mark Foster via mailop wrote:
I use Roundcube myself and as a /user/ of the software, it hadn't
occurred to me that, much like Gmail, people who send emails using
this webmail tool have /full anonymity/ (except, of
It appears that Mark Foster via mailop said:
>Maybe I need to be clear that I both use Roundcube, and operate it on a
>private MTA. I havn't seen how my HTTP(S) IP address was encoded in any
>emails i've sent using Roundcube, even as the operator of that platform.
>
>Perhaps I missed something.
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