On 1/13/22 20:24, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
The issue is that big name mail service providers, like Gmail,
Microsoft, Yahoo - do not offer a way to get effective feedback loops.
Again, this is why I say the AOL feedback loop system of the 2000's was
so great. I've NEVER gotten anything f
The issue is that big name mail service providers, like Gmail, Microsoft,
Yahoo - do not offer a way to get effective feedback loops. Again, this is
why I say the AOL feedback loop system of the 2000's was so great. I've
NEVER gotten anything from Gmail's Postmaster tools for any of the servers
(
On 1/13/22 16:08, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
I'm not sure what value of Recipients is really referring to - but I
think this is kind of the question that needs to be asked. Should the
administrator of a sending server (the IP address) be responsible for
removing addresses from a mailing li
On 1/13/22 16:08, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
I'm not sure what value of Recipients is really referring to - but I
think this is kind of the question that needs to be asked. Should the
administrator of a sending server (the IP address) be responsible for
removing addresses from a mailing li
> Domain reputation is a thing though. If your IP really gets blocked (and
not just throttled; that's a signal you have access to btw) you usually
have a bigger problem.
Unfortunately, that's not what I'm seeing in the real world. Everything is
IP based. Go through the archives here at Mailops.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 4:14 PM Scott Mutter via mailop
wrote:
If a service is going to block/blacklist/throttle messages by the sending
> IP, then what good does it do to base feedback loops and spam reports on a
> domain basis? A sending IP could have 1000 domains sending from it and
> only 1
On 1/13/22 5:08 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
I'm not sure what value of Recipients is really referring to - but I
think this is kind of the question that needs to be asked.
I was purposely nebulous specifically because what the exact list is
doesn't matter. ;-)
Should the administrato
I'm not sure what value of Recipients is really referring to - but I think
this is kind of the question that needs to be asked. Should the
administrator of a sending server (the IP address) be responsible for
removing addresses from a mailing list? Probably. But in order for the
administrator of
On 1/13/22 00:32, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
As an extra courtesy you could add something like "We're sorry that
our mail was considered spam, it's not our intent to send unsolicited
mail."
That's appropriate for the specific case where the MUA flags the list
owner that the message
On 1/13/22 1:00 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
The person sending out the mails or mailing list often doesn't care if
their recipients are flagging messages as spam or if their messages are
being treated as spam or unsolicited.
Does this imply that the person sending out the mails to the m
On 2022-01-12 at 17:51 +0100, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
> Mailman asks a password to set email preferences, but no password to
> unsubscribe. So it is also possible that someone else unsubscribes your
> address for you. In fact I myself did unsubscribe someone else a few times:
> aft
I think some of what's lost in this discussion - and it's true this may be
dragging the discussion off-topic, but seems as good a time as any to bring
this up.
Often times the individual maintaining the mailing list or sending out the
emails, is not the same individual that administers and maintai
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:41 AM Jay Hennigan via mailop
wrote:
> Agreed 100%.
>
> A single acknowledgement of a successful unsubscribe is fine, but don't
> make them jump through another flaming hoop. This goes double if the
> "subscription" is the typical webinar/whitepaper spam that they never
Hi,
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 12:35:25AM -0800, Jyri J. Virkki via mailop wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 02:04:56PM -0500, Mark G Thomas via mailop wrote:
> >
> > I'm not generally involved in our support issues, but a coworker at
> > my work (Linode) reached out to me about what looks to be a ne
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:30 PM, Jay Hennigan via mailop
> wrote:
>
> A single acknowledgement of a successful unsubscribe is fine, but don't make
> them jump through another flaming hoop.
It's also a violation of Federal law, which requires a "one-step unsubscribe
method".
Anne
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13. Januar 2022 09:32, "Alessandro Vesely via mailop"
schrieb:
> On Thu 13/Jan/2022 08:01:56 +0100 Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
>
>> Am 13.01.22 um 07:30 schrieb Jay Hennigan via mailop:
>>> In my opinion, a single reply email, "You have been unsubscribed from xyz
>>> mailing list" is a
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 02:04:56PM -0500, Mark G Thomas via mailop wrote:
>
> I'm not generally involved in our support issues, but a coworker at
> my work (Linode) reached out to me about what looks to be a new problem
> involving hosting customers being blocked by by Microsoft. We have
> 150-2
On Thu 13/Jan/2022 08:01:56 +0100 Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
Am 13.01.22 um 07:30 schrieb Jay Hennigan via mailop:
In my opinion, a single reply email, "You have been unsubscribed from xyz
mailing list" is a good thing to do.
As an extra courtesy you could add something like "We're s
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