Re: [mailop] Plain connections on SubmissionS port

2024-08-14 Thread Viktor Dukhovni via mailop
On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 06:48:38AM -0700, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote: > Making a distance-sensitive assumption about traffic behavior is a > suprisingly bad idea for anything having to do with the Internet.  Resources > and their uses can be -- and often are -- a long way away and using > conne

Re: [mailop] Plain connections on SubmissionS port

2024-08-14 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
Obligatory: https://web.mit.edu/jemorris/humor/500-miles Scott On Wednesday, 14/08/2024 at 19:30 Dave Crocker via mailop wrote: On 8/14/2024 3:17 PM, Slavko via mailop wrote: Dňa 14. augusta 2024 13:48:38 UTC používateľ Dave Crocker via mailop [1] napísal: Making a distance-sen

Re: [mailop] Plain connections on SubmissionS port

2024-08-14 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 8/14/2024 3:17 PM, Slavko via mailop wrote: Dňa 14. augusta 2024 13:48:38 UTC používateľ Dave Crocker via mailop napísal: Making a distance-sensitive assumption about traffic behavior is a suprisingly bad idea for anything having to do with the Internet.  Resources and their uses can be

Re: [mailop] Plain connections on SubmissionS port

2024-08-14 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 14. augusta 2024 13:48:38 UTC používateľ Dave Crocker via mailop napísal: >Making a distance-sensitive assumption about traffic behavior is a suprisingly >bad idea for anything having to do with the Internet.  Resources and their >uses can be -- and often are -- a long way away and using c

Re: [mailop] Plain connections on SubmissionS port

2024-08-14 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 8/12/2024 1:20 AM, Viktor Dukhovni via mailop wrote: For SUBMIT, the traffic is presumably from your own users, who are rarely very far away, Making a distance-sensitive assumption about traffic behavior is a suprisingly bad idea for anything having to do with the Internet.  Resources and

[mailop] AT&T/Yahoo contact or process?

2024-08-14 Thread Noah Price via mailop
I know AT&T issues were just discussed at length a month ago, though I didn't find another approach to resolve blocklist issues in that thread. We have an IP blocked by AT&T, and no response back to us or multiple customers who wrote, as instructed, to [ mailto:abuse_...@abuse-att.net | abuse_

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-14 Thread David Prall via mailop
I run a small mailing list with a little over 100 users and maybe 20 messages a day. I've gotten feedback multiple times when a user marks all their mail and hits spam instead of delete in the web interface which typically has both side by side. Also, the feedback loop is for more than just yah

Re: [mailop] Validity Spam, But Also Validity Certified Safe?

2024-08-14 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
L. Mark Stone via mailop wrote: Am I reading the *_VALIDITY_* scores above correctly that the sender is a Validity certified safe sender, but that the sender is also on Validity's RPBL? No DKIM, so SPF. What are the Authentication-Results headers your SPF/DKI

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-14 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
Does the Yahoo FBL work/have value even for the tiniest of senders? Yes, sign up for it. It helped me catch somebody entering garbage into my email newsletter signup form a week or two ago. A random complaint or two is quite unexpected for me, and it turned out that I had accidentally forgotten to

Re: [mailop] Validity Spam, But Also Validity Certified Safe?

2024-08-14 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
First thing I would want to make sure of is whether or not the RPBL listing is just a public query response and not an actual reputation indicator for the IP. Validity has undertaken effort over the past year or two to restrict unfettered public access to their DNS-based query mechanisms, in the sa

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-14 Thread Kasper Peeters via mailop
> Two comments: > > 1: "deferred" is not the same as "blocked" Fair enough. An email that was stuck yesterday finally made it out after 6h in the queue. Whether that's because I asked the Yahoo team again or because the deferred time had expired is unclear. I have seen emails from us to yahoo g

[mailop] Validity Spam, But Also Validity Certified Safe?

2024-08-14 Thread L. Mark Stone via mailop
Over the past few weeks we have been seeing increasing amounts of spam with SpamAssassin scores like this recent one: X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.963 required=3.8 tests=[DKIM_UNSIGNED=2, HTML_ENTITY_ASCII=2.077, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALUEMENT_SED=5.5, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTI

Re: [mailop] [E] Yahoo 'temporarily' deferred

2024-08-14 Thread Kasper Peeters via mailop
> I would suggest that you join the Yahoo complaint Feedback loop: > > https://senders.yahooinc.com/complaint-feedback-loop/ We did, for all domains served from that IP, but have so far not received a single message through this loop. So either it is like Microsoft and Google and doesn't do any