[mailop] Gmail users on mailing lists

2021-09-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Apparently Gmail is now using very strict rules for replies sent to both the mailing lists and the OP (aka Reply to all): to=<...>, relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.9.27]:25, delay=73156, delays=73155/0.04/0.56/0.17, dsn=4.7.28, status=deferred (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-22 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
I've been a steady user of UCEPROTECT for years now. I use their levels 1, 2, and 3 with postscreen rankings along side other popular RBLs. On my systems a UCEPROTECT level 3 rating will reject, unless the IP is listed in ips.whitelisted.org. IOW, on your systems any mail coming from an

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Sendgrid again...

2021-01-22 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Bulk mail, email marketing, consumer email, enterprise email. Those are all different businesses. Just because a company does one thing doesn't mean it should be doing (or be good at) the other.  That's correct, but in that case what Sendgrid should do is to use a specific subdomain for

Re: [mailop] Sendgrid again...

2021-01-22 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Are you sure that it was Sendgrid that blocked the message ? Looks to me as if ab...@sendgrid.com is hosted at gmail and it was *gmail* that objected to the content ... Or am I misunderstanding something ? No, of course you're right. But forwarding an abuse address that is somewhat expecte

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
This make me think to the "First the came..." thing: saying that around 1 million OVH customers *chose* to operate in *shady area* is a strong statement. ... and OVH cleaned up their act. Yet they are (black)listed by uceprotect. OVH is AS16276, the one with 2327 of their 3583744 IPs tha

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Apparently that's not a good strategy: their 509952 IPs are blocked by uceprotect, too; 217 of these IPs (again 0.05%) sent spam in the last seven days. And indeed what you suggest is not a solution for the WordPress site of a honest customer that get hacked, for instance. You keep bringing

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
One concrete example: AS16276 has 3583744 IPs. Out of these, 2327 sent a spam in the last 7 days according to uceprotect. That might seem like a high number, but it's only 0.05% of the address space of that AS. Because of this all IPs of AS16276 are blacklisted. 2327 IPs from that ASN sent

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
How can a server provider do this? Apart from blocking port 25 of course, and forcing all emails of their customers to go through their SMTP server, in which case they wouldn't be selling a bare machine anymore. If it was "not even that difficult", I'd guess they would all do it. Linode b

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
while it is feasible for ISPs to eradicate spam on their network, it is impossible for server providers to do this: Umm.. it's not impossible, and it's not even that difficult.. How can a server provider do this? Apart from blocking port 25 of course, and forcing all emails of their custo

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
First off, I'm subscribed to this list, there is no need to email me AND the list. Sorry, I was just honoring the "Reply-To:" header set by the list. It's what they themselves say: they changed their formula two days ago, and because of this thousands IP addresses that were not listed ar

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
That's a fair point, there's no reason to not question their motives. I just personally don't see that it's a profit center for them. Just do the math. They blocked at least 100K IPs, because 1% of these IPs sent spam in the last 7 days. If 0.5% of those 100K IPs decide to subscribe to the

Re: [mailop] Is it something to worry about?

2021-01-21 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
From their web site: WHITELISTING IS RECOMMENDED FOR IP 217.182.79.147. Registration is available for 1 Month (25 CHF), 6 Month (50 CHF), 12 Month (70 CHF), 24 Month (90 CHF) . So yes, perhaps it's not extortion. We may call it demanding money with menaces, exaction, extraction, blackmail...

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Brandon Long: sender in addressbook is definitely a whitelisting signal, as is replying to a message the user sent or on the same thread.  They used to be much stronger whitelisting signals than they are now, but were abused by spammers, so it's not a guarantee. I stand corrected on tho

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
For SPF, the "all" keyword is only reached if processing the previous policy rules did not result in a positive answer, which means "interpret this a sign that the email is likely not spam, but use the other filtering mechanisms before taking a decision" (it's a "+1"). At that point: "?al

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
There is one, he should at least change "-all" to "?all" (or perhaps "~all"). Using "-all" as the default in a SPF record does not have any readily apparent effect on "Inbox" deliverability of SPF-authenticated mail to GMail relative to "~all" based on domains whose mail and SPF records I

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
For example, I see that your email address is @jfoo.org, and that you have: jfoo.org. 6 IN MX 0 mx.oustrencats.com. jfoo.org. 6 IN TXT "v=spf1 ip4:50.116.29.164 ip6:2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe6e:7287 -all" This is not optimal, your SPF record should be "v=spf1 mx ?all". Hogwash. If you sa

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
In my opinion, "-all" is good only when it is the *only* entry in the SPF record, ie. SPF record indicates that the domain does not send mail *at all*. In all other cases, I think that even if original SPF record specifies "-all", the receiving server should override this and interpret it a

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Laura Atkins: The OP asked for advice on delivery, not his SPF setup. His SPF setup is fine and is absolutely not the problem here. There is one, he should at least change "-all" to "?all" (or perhaps "~all"). And by the way this wasn't the only advice I gave. I never wrote "do this a

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Hi, This is not optimal, your SPF record should be "v=spf1 mx ?all". I disagree. "v=spf1 mx ..." requires a DNS lookup which their existing SPF record doesn't. Lots of people telling you how to set up SPF will say 'use v=spf1 mx' because they don't want to explain the entire SPF record

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Gregory Heytings via mailop
Hi, It is postfix, and has DNS, SPF and DKIM set up correctly. Are you sure about this? Did you check your configuration, for example with check-a...@verifier.port25.com (mail-based) or mail-tester.com (web-based)? Another way to check what happens is to send an email to a Gmail addres