Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-03 Thread Carl Byington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2018-08-02 at 14:49 -0400, Bill Cole wrote: > The 'd=' domains don't use DNSSEC. This means that the immediate > validity of the signature at delivery time is dependent on trusting a > key which may be spoofed. The DKIM TXT record has a TTL

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-02 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
Ah, yes. I'm not sure of the likelihood of spoofing DKIM TXT records to do something useful, but that may also be a Google scale thing (ie, the number and scale of the spoofing you'd have to do to catch all our nameservers over the time of the ttl, or what you'd accomplish at that point (it would

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-02 Thread Bill Cole
On 2 Aug 2018, at 14:29, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:44 AM Bill Cole < mailop-20160...@billmail.scconsult.com> wrote: On 2 Aug 2018, at 9:23, Stefano Bagnara wrote: In our case our main DKIM-signature for any email sent by our servers always matches the

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-02 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:44 AM Bill Cole < mailop-20160...@billmail.scconsult.com> wrote: > On 2 Aug 2018, at 9:23, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > > > In our case our main DKIM-signature for any email sent by our servers > > always matches the return-path domain, the HELO and the FCrDNS. It > > often

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-02 Thread Bill Cole
On 2 Aug 2018, at 9:23, Stefano Bagnara wrote: In our case our main DKIM-signature for any email sent by our servers always matches the return-path domain, the HELO and the FCrDNS. It often doesn't match the MIME From, so it doesn't align. When we can do it we add a second signature aligned to

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-02 Thread Stefano Bagnara
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 14:54, Bill Cole wrote: > What I actually do not understand is why anyone (like BOTH of these > senders) is bothering to DKIM-sign mail in ways that CANNOT align for > DMARC and don't even match any domain in any header other than a > signature. e.g.: Providers are actively

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-02 Thread Bill Cole
On 2 Aug 2018, at 3:15 (-0400), Stefano Bagnara wrote: Hi Bill, you misunderstood the question. No, I was trying to directly kill the theory that is expressed in the Subject of the discussion. Unfortunately, I omitted a critical word to transmit that point (see below.) This isn't a DMARC

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-02 Thread Stefano Bagnara
at, so it offers the warning. >> >> All in all, quite a sensible implementation from Gmail. >> >> What’s the problem you’re trying to solve? >> >> laura >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Emanuel Gonzalez >> wrote: >> >> Hello

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Bill Cole
On 1 Aug 2018, at 10:34 (-0400), Emanuel Gonzalez wrote: Hello, thanks for the reply. I never had problems until today. Here the mailchimp header: [...] ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net header.s=k1 header.b=eLWpUpKv;

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Laura Atkins
anuel_gonza...@live.com.ar > Asunto: Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy? > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 15:26, Emanuel Gonzalez > wrote: > > I have a problem with Gmail, i see a change in the dmarc header: > > [...] > > the emails sent arrive to the promotions folder b

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Emanuel Gonzalez
Hello, thanks for the help and reply. The problem not solved. any ideas? Regards. De: Stefano Bagnara Enviado: miércoles, 1 de agosto de 2018 12:18:41 Para: mailop Cc: emanuel_gonza...@live.com.ar Asunto: Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy? On Wed, 1

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Emanuel Gonzalez
Enviado: miércoles, 1 de agosto de 2018 11:32:19 Para: mailop@mailop.org; Emanuel Gonzalez Asunto: Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy? DMARC works as expected, you have authentication for 94983.senders.tstes.net, 94983.returnpath.tstes.net, gmail.tstes.net but from is emaw...@gmail.com<m

Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Ken O'Driscoll via mailop
On Wed, 2018-08-01 at 13:23 +, Emanuel Gonzalez wrote: > header.from=gmail.com DMARC fails in both cases because you are spoofing the From address as being from gmail.com when it is not. They haven't changed their DMARC policy (it's still p=none) but that does not affect the fact that

[mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Emanuel Gonzalez
Hello.!!! I have a problem with Gmail, i see a change in the dmarc header: ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@94983.senders.tstes.net header.s=esdkim header.b=IplGe1Oe; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.tstes.net header.s=dkim header.b=FQWgkG0I;