Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

As Arne said "we will do that in the future", they apparently plan to reject, not just quarantine, and that would be a problem. Analyzing DMARC and tagging failing messages or putting them in Junk (with the option of overriding this for certain senders or forwarding hosts) is fine IMHO, so my

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

I have lost track. Are you saying that GMX should not use DMARC, or that they should not treat reject as quarantine ? On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote: At risk of repeating myself, you should be aware that this decision will not respect the will of the senders or

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On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:51:34PM +0100, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote: > > > > On 1 Apr 2021, at 15:36, Marcel Becker via mailop wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 12:43 AM Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop > > mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: > > > > One option that you should consider to

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

At risk of repeating myself, you should be aware that this decision will not respect the will of the senders or recipients, but the probably well-intentioned but not necessarily well-informed will of the sending mail system operator. You *will* cause unintended mail rejections, and the parties

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

Hi Renaud, > Am 27.03.2021 um 14:07 schrieb Renaud Allard via mailop : > > > > On 09/03/2021 18:38, Arne Allisat via mailop wrote: >> Just a short info to whom it might interest: >> Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all >> mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX &

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Whoops - And thanks. Thanks. Will report it to the team. > Am 27.03.2021 um 13:03 schrieb Bjoern Franke : > > Hi, > >> >> Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all >> mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com . >> That covers several hundred of

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

On 27/03/2021 21:00, Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop wrote: > Am 27.03.21 um 18:15 schrieb John Levine via mailop: >> It appears that Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop >> said: >>> Yes, there are such cases but I don't think they apply for this list. >>> >>> Yes - the list breaks DKIM (which is already

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Am 27.03.21 um 15:29 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner: > Forwarding is most often used by recipients to achieve their > preferred way of handling mail, so rejecting mails that they want to > receive would mean you ignore their wishes as recipients in > favor of the wishes of the senders who often don't

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Am 27.03.21 um 18:15 schrieb John Levine via mailop: It appears that Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop said: Yes, there are such cases but I don't think they apply for this list. Yes - the list breaks DKIM (which is already something which should be avoided since I do not see a need to modify

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John Levine via mailop (Sa 27 Mär 2021 16:05:59 CET): > For example, I handle the web site and mail for my local town > government, forwarding many of the addresses to their Gmail accounts. We > were losing a lot of mail from the US Census bureau which had p=reject > and no DKIM signatures. If

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It appears that Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop said: >Yes, there are such cases but I don't think they apply for this list. > >Yes - the list breaks DKIM (which is already something which should be >avoided since I do not see a need to modify the body with a footer It adds subject tags, too.

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

It appears that Renaud Allard via mailop said: >> For now we will handle reject and quarantine policies equally as >> quarantine. > >Why not respect the will of the senders and reject when they ask to do so? Because we know from painful experience that what senders say and what senders do often

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

Am 27.03.21 um 15:43 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop: Am 27.03.21 um 15:29 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop: One problem with SPF/DKIM/DMARC is that due to non-malicious manipulation of messages (for example forwarding etc.) messages may look invalid at the receiving site. I just

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

Am 27.03.21 um 15:29 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop: > > One problem with SPF/DKIM/DMARC is that due to non-malicious manipulation of > messages (for example forwarding etc.) > messages may look invalid at the receiving site. I just noticed that the mails in this mailing list are such an

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

Am 27.03.21 um 14:07 schrieb Renaud Allard via mailop: > > > On 09/03/2021 18:38, Arne Allisat via mailop wrote: >> Just a short info to whom it might interest: >> >> Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all >> mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com >>

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

On 09/03/2021 18:38, Arne Allisat via mailop wrote: Just a short info to whom it might interest: Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com . That covers several hundred of recipient domains [1] and

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

Hi, > > Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all > mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com . > That covers several hundred of recipient domains [1] and roughly 50% of > the German email users. maybe you should fix this: : host

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

This is great to hear. Thanks for sharing! And thanks for linking to my list. :) Cheers, Al Iverson On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:44 AM Arne Allisat via mailop wrote: > > Just a short info to whom it might interest: > > Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all >

Re: [mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

That's great news, Arne! Udeme - LinkedIn On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:45 AM Arne Allisat via mailop wrote: > Just a short info to whom it might interest: > > Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all > mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com. > That covers several

[mailop] Info - DMARC at WEB.DE, GMX, mail.com coming soon

Just a short info to whom it might interest: Very soon, we will go live with DMARC check on incoming mails for all mailboxes operated by WEB.DE, GMX & mail.com. That covers several hundred of recipient domains [1] and roughly 50% of the German email users. For now we will