Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-30 Thread Laura Atkins via mailop
> On 30 Jan 2024, at 01:20, Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop > wrote: > >>> On 28 Jan 2024, at 20:23, Thomas Walter via mailop >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28.01.24 20:02, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: There are "edge cases" when the mail couldn't be reliably classified a

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop
> > On 28 Jan 2024, at 20:23, Thomas Walter via mailop > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 28.01.24 20:02, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > >> There are "edge cases" when the mail couldn't be reliably classified as > >> spam > >> or non-spam. Even with best tuned spam filtering systems false posit

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 28.01.2024 o godz. 22:04:26 Jay Hennigan via mailop pisze: > Conversely, when the receiver purges everything else in the spam > folder without opening it, this gives feedback that the decision to > route it to spam was correct. And this is often the problem, because - as I mentioned - users t

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 28.01.2024 o godz. 23:44:29 Scott Mutter via mailop pisze: > What if the receiving mail server tagged the message in some way in their > final acknowledgement of the message. For Google. instead of: > > 250 2.0.0 OK 1706409809 > h4-20020ac8584400b10427e71c979dsi9837397zyh.449 - gsmtp >

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-29 Thread Laura Atkins via mailop
> On 28 Jan 2024, at 20:23, Thomas Walter via mailop wrote: > > > > On 28.01.24 20:02, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: >> There are "edge cases" when the mail couldn't be reliably classified as spam >> or non-spam. Even with best tuned spam filtering systems false positives >> will happen. >

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-28 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 1/28/24 21:44, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: What if the receiving mail server tagged the message in some way in their final acknowledgement of the message.  For Google. instead of: 250 2.0.0 OK  1706409809 h4-20020ac8584400b10427e71c979dsi9837397zyh.449 - gsmtp If the message is red

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-28 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
What if the receiving mail server tagged the message in some way in their final acknowledgement of the message. For Google. instead of: 250 2.0.0 OK 1706409809 h4-20020ac8584400b10427e71c979dsi9837397zyh.449 - gsmtp If the message is redirected to the user's spambox, the message could be:

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-28 Thread Thomas Walter via mailop
On 28.01.24 20:02, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: There are "edge cases" when the mail couldn't be reliably classified as spam or non-spam. Even with best tuned spam filtering systems false positives will happen. So why not just deliver these to the Inbox then - and add a tag/label instead

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-28 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 27.01.2024 o godz. 13:21:46 Thomas Walter via mailop pisze: > > To me it just doesn't make a lot of sense to basically have two > inboxes to check - the regular one and the spamfolder. > > Also having to tell people to check their spamfolders every time > they are missing an email is annoyin

Re: [mailop] Spamfolder mini rant (Was: Contact Google Postmaster)

2024-01-27 Thread Thomas Walter via mailop
Hello, On 27.01.24 12:47, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote: There is remediation available. What there isn’t is some imprimatur that ensures that every email is delivered to the inbox every time unless the sender considers it spam and agrees with the decision. That’s just not how it works. Wel