[mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread Rob McEwen
Does Google use the SAME?... or DIFFERENT?... outbound IPs for "G suite" (or any other customers who are using their own domain names) ...as they do for @gmail.com addresses? If so, does anyone know which specific IP space is used for Google's paying business clients who use their own domains?

Re: [mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Fri, 05 May 2017 10:48:46 -0400, Rob McEwen said: > Does Google use the SAME?... or DIFFERENT?... outbound IPs for "G suite" > (or any other customers who are using their own domain names) ...as they > do for @gmail.com addresses? Don't your own logs have enough info in them for that? See what

Re: [mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread Rob McEwen
On 5/5/2017 1:07 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Don't your own logs have enough info in them for that? See what addresses you receive @gmail.com mail from, and @google-hosted-stuff.com Good idea. If I don't get a more definitive/official answer, I'll do that. It isn't quite as easy as

Re: [mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Rob McEwen wrote: > On 5/5/2017 1:07 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > >> Don't your own logs have enough info in them for that? See what addresses >> you receive @gmail.com mail from, and @google-hosted-stuff.com >> > > Good idea. If I don't get a more de

Re: [mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread Rob McEwen
On 5/5/2017 4:14 PM, Brandon Long wrote: Google runs multiple outbound pools, but mail is not separated by GSuite vs Gmail. It turns out, GSuite customers are not universally non-spammy, nor are they any less likely to get hijacked or phished, or have their machines compromised. I think all of t

Re: [mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 5/5/17 1:14 PM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: If they are merged, I think this is sort of like when a mixed-quality ESP puts very their most reputable senders on the SAME shared IPs as egregious spammers. (which is very bad form--using good customers as "human shields") I w

Re: [mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 5/5/17 1:14 PM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > > If they are merged, I think this is sort of like when a >> mixed-quality ESP puts very their most reputable senders on the SAME >> shared IPs as egregious spammers. (which is ve

Re: [mailop] does Google use SAME outbound IPs for "G suite" as they do for gmail?

2017-05-05 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Fri, 05 May 2017 14:50:54 -0700, Brandon Long via mailop said: > In reality, ESPs exist along a spectrum, both in their ability to keep > spammers out and their desire to. And "spammers" also exist along a > spectrum, from folks clearly knowing they are doing it to folks who don't > to entitie