Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-28 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Gellner, Oliver via mailop said: >> That occasionally happens, but since I whitelist any /24 that has >> successfully retried, it doesn't happen very much. > >I see, this looks like a better approach. Unfortunately many greylisting >implementations only whitelist senders for a fe

Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-28 Thread Gellner, Oliver via mailop
> On 24.06.2023 at 19:38 John Levine via mailop wrote: > According to Gellner, Oliver via mailop : >> >>It matters if the greylisting takes place before or after RBL / domain >>reputation checks. If the greylisting comes first, I could imagine that the >>connections from most of those bots would

Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-26 Thread John R Levine via mailop
Do you have any idea how many of those would be tripped up by a Postfix-style banner delay? Good question. I've been meaning to add a greet pause but haven't yet gotten around to it. I got around to it and now do a greet pause before I greylist. Most of the hosts on the Spamhaus BLs are earl

Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-24 Thread John Levine via mailop
According to Gellner, Oliver via mailop : > >> On 24.06.2023 at 06:56 John Levine via mailop wrote: >> >> It appears that Al Iverson via mailop said: >>> What if we just got to the heart of the matter and admitted that >>> greylisting is useless 2023? >> >> Because it's still quite useful if yo

Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-24 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Bill Cole via mailop said: >> greylist but never retried: 13573 >> greylist and did retry: 9299 >> >> whitelisted or previously retried: 6519 >> >> More than half of the addresses I greylist never retry, and spot >> checks of the logs show that's overwhelmingly bots. > >Do you h

Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-24 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2023-06-24 at 00:49:46 UTC-0400 (24 Jun 2023 00:49:46 -0400) John Levine via mailop is rumored to have said: It appears that Al Iverson via mailop said: What if we just got to the heart of the matter and admitted that greylisting is useless 2023? Because it's still quite useful if you do

Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-24 Thread Gellner, Oliver via mailop
> On 24.06.2023 at 06:56 John Levine via mailop wrote: > > It appears that Al Iverson via mailop said: >> What if we just got to the heart of the matter and admitted that >> greylisting is useless 2023? > > Because it's still quite useful if you do it sensibly. Here's what my > logs say for the

Re: [mailop] greylisting, SendGrid is deleting your mail

2023-06-23 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Al Iverson via mailop said: >What if we just got to the heart of the matter and admitted that >greylisting is useless 2023? Because it's still quite useful if you do it sensibly. Here's what my logs say for the past two years, by number of IPs greylist but never retried: 13573