Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-04-28 Thread RANDI C ELDEVIK
In book one of the _Aeneid_, there is a simile describing the Greek attacker Pyrrhus which compares Pyrrhus to a snake _mala gramina pastus_ (a snake which has fed on evil grasses). Hope this helps, Randi Eldevik On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Dave McLean/Justine Viets-McLean wrote: > Hello, > I am interes

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-04-28 Thread parcob
I can't tell you much about where it comes from, but it is a fairly popular quote in the middle ages - it is even turns up in der wilde Alexander! Helen Conrad-O'Briain --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-04-28 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:42:00 -0400 From: Andy Lafrenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This follows up on Randi Eldevik's comments about the coluber mala gramina pastus. Actually, the phrase occurs in Book II of the Aeneid, at line 471. Virgil (Vergil?) uses a snake motif a little earlier in the same bo

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-04-29 Thread John Geyssen
The idea of the 'cold snake' may come from Theocritus, 'Idyll' 15 (The Adonis Festival): Gorgo and Praxinoe are making their way to the festival through the crowded streets and, fearing that she may be trampled, Praxinoe mentions that since childhood she's always been terrified of "a horse and a co

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-04-29 Thread RANDI C ELDEVIK
Before I get to John Geyssen's comment, one point: I thank David Wilson for correcting my typographical slip from Book 1 to Book 2 of the _Aeneid_. It _was_ purely a slip of the finger, for I certainly do know in which book of the _Aeneid_ the fall of Troy is described, and I wouldn't want an

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-07 Thread WRHare
I wonder . . .wasn't there a religion in the ancient world that worshipped a snake as the symbol of the evil creator of the world? And isn't the egg symbolic of the soul? I realize this is fairly pop information, but I do wonder if it applies. I believe the snake worshippers were called the Opha

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-09 Thread Peter Bryant
I am not sure that anyone has actually answered the original question of the context of the Latin tag in Virgil's poem. To hope that the following might be of use to the person who put the question to the Mantovani. 1. THE ORIGINAL CONTEXT OF "LATET ANGUIS IN HERBA"(Eclogues III.93)

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-09 Thread Peter Bryant
WRHare wrote: > > I wonder . . .wasn't there a religion in the ancient world that worshipped a > snake as the symbol of the evil creator of the world? And isn't the egg > symbolic of the soul? I realize this is fairly pop information, but I do > wonder if it applies. I believe the snake worship

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-14 Thread Nancy Charlton
I greatly enjoyed the exchange about the snake in the grass and its evolution as described by Peter Bryant: >So it seems that by the Renaissance ,if not earlier, Virgil's snake >which in the context of the original poem was merely a dangerous >reptile, has in its long life as as a Latin tag an

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-14 Thread Simon Cauchi
Well, here's one example of how the phrase is currently understood: "Who has not known the fear of trust betrayed, when a cuckoo is uncovered in the nest, a viper in the bosom, a snake in the grass?" (Louise Guinness, reviewing Sophia Watson's novel The Perfect Treasure in Literary Review, May 199

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-14 Thread WRHare
Learned? I can't vouch for this adjective being applicable to my response; but of the cuckoo, I believe she means sexual betrayal: to be cuckholded, to find someone else in your bed with your lover. As for the viper in the busom, I think this is easily understood; and it sounds very like Lady Ma

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-15 Thread James Baron
At 21:37 98/05/14 EDT, you wrote: >Learned? I can't vouch for this adjective being applicable to my response; >but of the cuckoo, I believe she means sexual betrayal: to be cuckholded, to >find someone else in your bed with your lover. >As for the viper in the busom, I think this is easily under

Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-15 Thread Ken Parejko
Simon Cauchi wrote: > Well, here's one example of how the phrase is currently understood: > > "Who has not known the fear of trust betrayed, when a cuckoo is > uncovered > in the nest, a viper in the bosom, a snake in the grass?" (Louise > Guinness, > reviewing Sophia Watson's novel The Perfect Tr

(Fwd) Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass"

1998-05-15 Thread bmagee
PROTECTED] From: James Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Context of "A snake lurks in the grass" Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 21:37 98/05/14 EDT, you wrote: >Learned? I can't vouch for this adjective being applicable to my response; >but