Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-28 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
At 08:17 PM 4/27/02 +0100, Leofranc Holford-Strevens wrote: (Suppose for instance that the wink theory could somehow be made to stand up, why should Vergil wish to play that game?) This is a fair question. There are, it seems to me, two reasons to argue for the wink theory: 1.

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-27 Thread Denise Davis-Henry
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Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-27 Thread Leofranc Holford-Strevens
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Butrica [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes By the way, in other traditions of catabasis, how do living mortals return from the Underworld? In the so-called Orphic Catabasis of P. Bon. 4, the last legible letters, a few lines from the end of the poem, are sigma kappa

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-26 Thread Jane Ebersole
I'll have to think about these, but your timing couldn't be more perfect as we race to the upper airs and through that proverbial ivory gate at the end of L. VI and the school year. So, I have a piggy back question--The line-up in the Underworld of souls to be recycled into great Romans seems

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-26 Thread James Butrica
I'll have to think about these, but your timing couldn't be more perfect as we race to the upper airs and through that proverbial ivory gate at the end of L. VI and the school year. So, I have a piggy back question--The line-up in the Underworld of souls to be recycled into great Romans seems to

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-26 Thread Jim O'Hara
David's suggestion of a connection between the bad air of Albunea and that of Lake Avernus is fascinating, and worth pursuing. But I hope I don't rouse hippothanatophobia (fear of a man beating a dead horse--can someone make that Greek more elegant?) by picking up on part of his introductory

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-26 Thread James M. Pfundstein
Jane Ebersole wrote (in part) of Aeneid 6: The line-up in the Underworld of souls to be recycled into great Romans seems to smack of reincarnation. Does this appear in any other Roman writings either literary or religious? Ennius apparently claimed to have been, in previous lives, both the

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-26 Thread Jim O'Hara
James Butrica wrote: The other gate is explicitly the exit for uerae umbrae: Aeneas is not a uera umbra or any kind of umbra at all, and presumably therefore cannot take this route and must therefore take the only alternative. I've never understood this argument. What is it about the gate

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-26 Thread James Butrica
James Butrica wrote: The other gate is explicitly the exit for uerae umbrae: Aeneas is not a uera umbra or any kind of umbra at all, and presumably therefore cannot take this route and must therefore take the only alternative. I've never understood this argument. What is it about the gate

Re: VIRGIL: Did Aeneas inhale?

2002-04-26 Thread Jane Ebersole
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