On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 16:55 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
> Just in case anybody feels ignored:
>
> I love this discussion, and plan to encourage others to get involved when
> you've settled on some things yourselves (rather than invite an
> overwhelming number of responses right now).
Could someo
> If you think of a bell population, you have
> 80% within two standard deviations (I think?).
yeah 80% is good; what i don't want is personas who're so individual
and pretty and unique :) that they don't reflect the userbase at all.
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> You can't make everyone happy all the time; personas is just a tool to
> help figure out how to prioritise who to make happy when, if you see
> what I mean.
And a way for developers to remember that they should worry about the
_goals_ of real people.
Murray Cumming
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On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 11:25 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote:
> at least from a marketing point of view, you can't ask me to "forget
> trying to cover my userbase"... that's suicidal; we'd be telling
> anecdotes, not segmenting anything.
You're still missing the point, I think.
The general idea is to c
Just in case anybody feels ignored:
I love this discussion, and plan to encourage others to get involved when
you've settled on some things yourselves (rather than invite an
overwhelming number of responses right now).
Murray Cumming
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.murrayc.com
www.openismus.com
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> Usability and
> marketing are totally different things, and of course you're going to
> need different tools for them.
err... no. usability has everything to do with users' needs and
expectations, and that has everything to do with marketing.
but usability and advertising are totally different
Alex Hudson wrote:
[It's also valid to argue that personas are not a useful tool; many
people hold that viewpoint. I don't, personally, but there are
significant limitations to how you can use it IMHO]
There's a huge difference between "personas are not a useful tool" and
"personas are not a u
> Does that make sense?
no it doesn't :)
at least from a marketing point of view, you can't ask me to "forget
trying to cover my userbase"... that's suicidal; we'd be telling
anecdotes, not segmenting anything.
before this weekend i'll try to come up with something in the middle
of those two un
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 10:35 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote:
> yeah, and i agree with this of course. what i don't like is the idea
> of creating "living" characters, at the cost of making them A LOT less
> representative of your target audience.
>
> for example, alex replaced marcus' typical teenager
> If the show is interesting why not.
then we'll have to make it interesting :)
> We can't compromise to put it on
> schedule now of course
i wasn't expecting that of course; a fair chance is more than enough.
> depending on the approach you would give to the project and the talk.
well, i
%> I disagree. What you're doing is creating living, breathing characters
> which represent your target audiences.
yeah, and i agree with this of course. what i don't like is the idea
of creating "living" characters, at the cost of making them A LOT less
representative of your target audience.
f
En/na Santiago Roza ha escrit:
> if it could be shown at guadec or something like that
If the show is interesting why not. We can't compromise to put it on
schedule now of course, but there will be a possibility to present a
paper, or be invited directly if the GUADEC committee thinks your work
Hi,
Santiago Roza wrote:
if you follow Cooper (and I'm not exactly sure
how personas are supposed to apply to marketing), you're not trying to
define a target audience per se. What you're doing is actual
characterisation, as a novelist might do
then maybe we don't have to follow cooper strict
> I think it is. Ideally, we could go into real depth on the personas and
> how they might interact with GNOME (and also how GNOME doesn't suit
> them), and do a smashing presentation of the results at GUADEC or some
> other conference, to generate a feedback cycle.
my two restrictions were relev
> if you follow Cooper (and I'm not exactly sure
> how personas are supposed to apply to marketing), you're not trying to
> define a target audience per se. What you're doing is actual
> characterisation, as a novelist might do
then maybe we don't have to follow cooper strictly, because we might
e
Hi,
Alex Hudson wrote:
I would be happy to help contribute to some personas if people think
it's worth doing.
I think it is. Ideally, we could go into real depth on the personas and
how they might interact with GNOME (and also how GNOME doesn't suit
them), and do a smashing presentation of
On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 22:44 +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote:
> there are three groups of desktop personas:
>
> 1. private
> 2. business
> 3. public sector
I'm going to make a quick comment about personas before people go too
far in this direction - if you follow Cooper (and I'm not exactly sure
h
Le mardi 06 décembre 2005 à 21:04 -0300, Santiago Roza a écrit :
> cool... could you throw it in the wiki so we can build on it? i'd do
> it myself, but i don't think i should appear as the original author
> :)
The whole idea behind this little draft was to show that the often
requested "data" i
cool... could you throw it in the wiki so we can build on it? i'd do
it myself, but i don't think i should appear as the original author
:)
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