The military is a huge socialization factory for working class youth. They go
in, learn to take orders, get used and abused and spit out, usually for the
worse. If black or latino soldiers were in struggle to resist some aspect of
racist power, we'd support their struggle, even if they were st
The reason people recruitment disproportionately nets people of color and
the poor is because most people don't think of military service the way we
do. For most of them, it's a job, a chance at education, etc.
ML
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Hi Michael,
Firstly thank you for reading my post and taking the trouble to comment. We
are obviously in sharp disagreement but that should not stand in the way of
a decent dialog.
First opening gambit from me and admittedly a predictable but still sincere
one: What about the recent restrictions
Perhaps you should look at that button you have again!!!
I was on the Steering Committees of both the October 14, 1979 March on
Washington and the Oct. 11, 1987 March on Washington. I was also among the
four people at the War Conference held in Virginia in 1988, that called for and
led to
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:33:24 -0700
John Obrien wrote:
> Is Michael Smith arguing that people in the United States should be urging
> that all people of color and women, also be barred immediately from being in
> the U. S. military? That seems to be where his logic leads.
You're under-general
Is Michael Smith arguing that people in the United States should be urging that
all people of color and women, also be barred immediately from being in the U.
S. military? That seems to be where his logic leads.
To select one group of working people, to not be allowed to participate, is not
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:58:17 +1000
Gary MacLennan wrote:
> Who
> could be sincerely enthusiastic about Hamas for instance?
That would be me.
> Certainly they are
> not the bearers of universal liberation.
And that's why. When I hear the word "universal" I
go for my revolver.
--
Michael
Artesian wrote:
"You say that the relationship between armed
and mass struggle requires serious consideration.
Indeed it does. Consideration more serious than
simple praise, defense, of the actions of a sect
"that opposes class-conscious mass actions."
I am most certainly reading your postings
on
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:23:29 -0400
"S. Artesian" wrote:
> Yes, you're missing the point of equality, and an end to all discrimination.
I guess I am missing the point. Women and gay folks should have an equal
opportunity to kill little brown people elsewhere in the world? That would
be equali
What really worries both the Israelis and the the ruling elite in the States
is the sign that there is growing disenchantment within the USA at the
popular level with the Israeli Govt. I suspect that both the Israeli and
American governments were quite shocked at the Pro-Palestinian demos across
t
Yes, you're missing the point of equality, and an end to all discrimination.
And... the bigotry will not make it less attractive as a way out when the
economic necessity makes the military appear as the only way in.
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:55:07 -0400
Louis Proyect wrote:
> Gay men and women join the military for the same reasons most straight
> youth do, out of a combination of economic pressure and confused ideas
> about duty. There is no reason, once they have enlisted, for them to put
> up with the sh
Salon Magazine: A lot of what you write -- and celebrate -- in the book
is a culture of hedonism and sexual experimentation that seems at odds
with the gay marriage movement. What do you make of this generation's
pursuit of gay marriage?
Edmund White: I believe in promiscuity. But you know peop
A key (Marxist) reason for fighting for equal marriage rights or
military rights or any rights - EQUALITY - whether or not we agree
with the institutions, is to undermine the divisions that capitalism
has placed amongst working class people based on sexual orientation
(or race or gender or national
Michael Smith wrote:
> I'm trying to think this through. Wouldn't this make it less
> attractive to be a soldier? Wouldn't that be, erm, a Good Thing?
>
Gay men and women join the military for the same reasons most straight
youth do, out of a combination of economic pressure and confused ideas
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
Adam Richmond wrote:
> The government at least under Bush infiltrated and spied on DADT groups.
> They are not happy about any GI organizing or alliance for soldier rights.
I'm trying to think this through. Wouldn't this make it less
attractive to
October 15, 2009
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I repeat. This is a literary device that's ancient. It has nothing to do
with an immediate prescription for political action.
The latest interview discusses the need for a national convention of
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ML
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Guess you didn't read the follow-up emails. I think there is most
definitely a role for armed struggle when used in conjunction with
class-conscious mass struggle. I do not think "peoples' war," "surrounding
the cities," pre-Debray Debray focos offer viable paths for revolutionary
struggle
I just heard an interview Nader did with Matthew Rothschild, of The
Progressive, about his billionaire-as-saviors novel and the general outlook for
a progressive agenda in the US. The interview does not yet seem to be available
on the Progressive website, but it should be there soon.
For thos
Nada wrote:
"Palestine itself is not engaged in armed
struggle for socialism. If so, I missed the memo.
They are engaged in a defensive, somewhat
centrifugally expressed *defensive* armed
struggle."
Yes comrade, you did indeed miss that
memo as well as the entire history
of the Palestinian r
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