[marxmail] State Department declines to Condemn Israel for Shooting American Activist in the Head, Killing Her

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Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 07:41 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Composer Michael Tippett "was certain in his belief – typical for a > Trotskyist of the day – that it was better to overturn the British Empire > than the German dictatorship. There have always been eccentric artists and intellectuals who embra

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

I think your last sentence is quite accurate. They (Trotsky in particular) believed that either Hitler would win the War and smash the USSR or there would be political revolution there and socialist workers revolution in the Imperialist countries. Prognostications by him and his supporters were

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

> > "Composer Michael Tippett "was certain in his belief – typical for a > Trotskyist of the day – that it was better to overturn the British Empire > than the German dictatorship. ‘My one hope is that the British Empire will > go under and Hitler win […]. I hate the Empire as I hate nothing else.

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 08:19 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > The differences between the two factions were urgent and immediate in the > interwar years. Composer Michael Tippett "was certain in his belief – typical for a Trotskyist of the day – that it was better to overturn the British Empire than

Re: [marxmail] some say China isn't imperialist

I understand where you want to place me. "no real political movement, just discussion clubs exchanging opinions." Give me an example of a political movement in the US of any importance and influence in the working class of which those Marxists, Leninists, and Stalinists are a part. As I understan

[marxmail] Abandon Biden Becomes Abandon Harris

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Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

My comments weren’t aimed at you, David, but apply to all of us who took sides in the Trotsky-Stalin debate. In retrospect, it’s been a purely theoretical exercise for our generation without any real political consequence. The differences between the two factions were urgent and immediate in the

Re: [marxmail] AOC, let’s drop the DNC talking points & have a real debate

Stein's rather noisy about Gaza, which I didn't know was in the U.S. A. Learn something new every day , I guess. On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 6:04 PM Avram Rips via groups.io wrote: > Not through Jill Stein basically for pennant occupancy of Ukraine by > Russia and certainly doesn’t care about the des

[marxmail] GreenSocialist Notes, Episode 192 with Special Guest Butch Ware

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Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

I think it is somewhat stale as well, Marv. I wasn't trying to defend PSL politically or attack "Stalinism" but rather trying to set the record straight from cheap shots at a left group that has no resemblance to what it is being charged with. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You recei

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

I don't understand. Trotskyism came into being in other to build a political opposition to Stalin and the bureaucracy, in the USSR and the then existing Comintern. PSL doesn't even care that debate ever existed. Not sure how this is a "sickness"? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You re

[marxmail] Dr. Jill Stein: Facts & Falsehoods

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Re: [marxmail] AOC, let’s drop the DNC talking points & have a real debate

Not through Jill Stein basically for pennant occupancy of Ukraine by Russia and certainly doesn’t care about the destruction and slaughter of the people of Syria by Assad. She only cares about NATO/USA bad, like most of the “ left.” On Saturday, September 7, 2024, Charles Keener via groups.io wro

[marxmail] AOC, let’s drop the DNC talking points & have a real debate

I had more thoughts about ‪@AOC‬ calling me and the Green Party “not authentic” and “predatory”. She says she’s a critic of the 2-party system, so why attack Greens?AOC, let’s drop the DNC talking points & have a real debate on how to break free from the predatory 2-party trap.  Jill Stein  @

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

Trying to prove that PSL is not a variant of Trotskyism, David states one condition of being Trotskyist that PSL fails: "they would almost never denounce Stalin." Trotskyists denounce Stalin or you are outside the pale. Revealing — and evidence of a really sick politics. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: [marxmail] Political Collapse: Lessons From Fallen Empires

> > the Fall of Civilizations We swapped the word "empire" for "civilization" in this thread. Do we sometimes confuse the two, or are they the same? I can remember much about the Aztec empire but need to look up the name of the republic that the Aztecs fought but never conquered, Tlaxcala.

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

For myself, the debate between Stalinists and Trotskyists has a somewhat stale quality to it since we’ve effectively been thrown back to that much earlier pre-Bolshevik - indeed, pre-Marxist - period when socialism was an idea rather than the mass movement of the international working class whic

Re: [marxmail] Political Collapse: Lessons From Fallen Empires

Let me second the recommendation for the Fall of Civilizations. It is superb. On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 3:43 PM stevencolatrella via groups.io wrote: > Anyone here who doesn't know "The Fall of Civilizations" channel on > YouTube, it is arguably the best thing on the whole Internet. > > Great doc

Re: [marxmail] Political Collapse: Lessons From Fallen Empires

Anyone here who doesn't know "The Fall of Civilizations" channel on YouTube,  it is arguably the best thing on the whole Internet. Great documentary videos and audio podcasts.  Here is the link to the channel: https://youtube.com/@fallofcivilizations?si=1yjcI-lLTCAdp_q6 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

I apologize for weighing in on the Trotskyist-Stalinist debates and differences but I have to say --- as someone brought up as a "Stalinist:" red diaper baby, MY interactions with Trotskyists was in the context of the broad coalition that fought against the Vietnam War during the 1960s --- as such,

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

Charlie, the "parent" argument is assigning generational guilt to an organization that *factually* has little do with Trotskyist politics or program. Each of your points is flawed. 1. WORKERS WORLD argument. Only 1 issue of the Workers World newspaper, it's very first, identified with the Fourth

Re: [marxmail] some say China isn't imperialist

Gojko - "Marxists have essentially devolved into a discussion club" /// "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member" - Marx, Groucho Gojko - "the left is failed" // "Trying is the first step to failure" - Homer, Simpson -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

What I wanted to say, yes plenty discussion to understand the world, and marxism is still good in that, but in that fighting is irrelevant, if there any fighting. The rise of the right political movement in developed countries is showing that the left is failed. Those young Leninists, Trockists