Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-14 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 08:58 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > >> Charlie wrote: >> >> Taking the heads of major trade unions as representing the state of class >> consciousness?!!! > > Weren't they elected? Yes, though some are first appointed as staff reps eligible to run for elected office hig

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-14 Thread Michael Meeropol
Hari, thank you for those quotes. The public debt has always been the way capitalist (and pre-capitalist, I would say) nations financed war, exploration and conquest in general. What changed in the period of the 1930s was the idea that if the "people" controlled the government, they could use the

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-14 Thread hari kumar
Hello Michael: 1) I do not know the name Stephanie Kelton. But were not Robert Reich and Paul Krugman always going on about how the "deficit mountain" was not only irrelevant but was over-magnified as a threat? Am I wrong in this recall? Don't they count as 'Democrat' advisers etc? Regardless -

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
But even when Democratic Presidents run deficits they try to reduce them --- HELL< even Biden has emphasized the on his watch the deficit has come down --- Obama permitted the Republicans to force him to institute a sequester which cut the deficit dramatically --- thereby slowing the recovery and i

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Charlie via groups.io > wrote: > > Taking the heads of major trade unions as representing the state of class > consciousness?!!! Weren't they elected? Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Onl

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Jul 13, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Michael Meeropol via groups.io > wrote: > > the Democrats so quickly embraced "fiscal responsibility" in the demonization > of deficits --- Are you talking about Clinton? No other Democratic Party president balanced the budget. Stephanie Kelton, a Democrati

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 02:03 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Marv Gandall wrote: > >> Such is the current state of working class political consciousness in the >> US and other advanced capitalist countries. > > Taking the heads of major trade unions as representing the state of class > consciousness?!!

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Charlie
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 03:48 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > Such is the current state of working class political consciousness in the > US and other advanced capitalist countries. Taking the heads of major trade unions as representing the state of class consciousness?!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
I know this is SOMEWHAT off the subject for a Marxmail list -- having to do with BOurgeois Economics --- but one of the great mysteries to me was WHY the "party of the people" (HA!) the Democrats so quickly embraced "fiscal responsibility" in the demonization of deficits --- The Keynesian revoluti

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] [Reason: Editorial changes,] The Teamsters’ Sean (as in O’Brien) makes the UAW’s Shawn (as in Fain) look like Big Bill Haywood by comparison. O’Brien, it will be recalled, won the Teamsters’ presidency in 2021 with the support of the Teamsters for a Democratic Union aga

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Marv Gandall
The Tramsters’ Sean (as in O’Brien) makes the UAW’s Shawn (as in Fain) look like Big Bill Haywood by comparison. O’Brien, it will be recalled. won the Teamsters’ presidency in 2021 with the support of the Teamsters for a Democratic Union against the candidate favoured by the pro-Hoffa establishm

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread hari kumar
Hello Charlie: Interesting. Yes key trade unionists remain key props for Biden it seems. Very difficult to gauge what proportion of their members agree with their views. Once more without a viable left mass party - up a river without a paddle. Anyway - Today's edition of the liberal Biden-cheerer

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-12 Thread Charlie
Does this look like "the rise of UAW President Shawn Fain has been met with alarm in powerful corridors"? --On April 10 this year, United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain attended a state dinner Wednesday for Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida. https://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/upi/012c89

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-11 Thread Charlie
Sounds like b.s. The proffered evidence is "according to a source familiar with the conversation" and an email by one of Fain's attorneys. And note that none of this even attempts to refute the charges that Fain punished union officials who questioned Fain's demand that his fiancee get UAW mone

[marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-11 Thread Dayne Goodwin
The UAW’s federal monitor twice pressured the union to back off its call for Gaza ceasefire, then launched an investigation *The rise of UAW President Shawn Fain has been met with alarm in powerful corridors* by Ryan Grim, Drop Site News, July 11, 2024 https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/shock-documents