Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Yeah, airspeed and altitude, that's the ticket. You run out of either one and you are in a world of hurt. You got radar altimeters, baro altimeters, GPS altimeters, and, oh yeah, look out the window. And the airplane feeling ree sluggish because it is flying too slow and wallowin

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Just saying they didn't HAFTA have it for seemingly such a simple approach with runway in sight from many miles out. 'Understood they were cleared for visual approach. Were they depending on ILS or some other system, anyway, and allowing aircraft to take certain steps automatically without any

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Yep. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Dan Penoff wrote: I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only h

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (and required to) do (at great expense), but does all kinds of nefarious

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Jim Cathey
I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Gotta start sometime. Obviously something was wrong. Or, as is more usual, _several_ somethings were wrong. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com Fo

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. He got more than that on the day of the crash, didn't he? At any rate, isn't it pretty simple? You deploy your flaps and wheels, establish your glide attitude, and i

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
I think the ILS is irrelevant - weren't they cleared for visual approach with runway visible from many miles out? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisc

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Me, too, on both points - authority and dynamics. I think that in this case, there was great lack of cockpit dynamics - everybody dozing at the same time - and on approach to landing under CAVU conditions?! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion Lis

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
Michael Canfield wrote: Sounds like someone is in a world of trouble. Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (a

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Agreed. Just thought that was interesting. I wonder if cockpit dynamics contributed to the crash. Dan always willing to question authority On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:00 AM, WILTON wrote: > Still no excuse. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" > To: "Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Still no excuse. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had somet

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:47 AM, WILTON wrote: > 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of > flying - airspeed and altitude. > > Wilton > > --

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting p

Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Dave in SoCal wrote: 12 oz. for $4 at Menards through 7/14. I don't use it but seems to be a decent price for small bottles. Not available in Cali. Thanks, I didn't notice that in the ad. Mitch . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www

Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)

2013-07-08 Thread Larry T
Thanks Michael -- I think it does as well.. ;-) Larry On 7/7/2013 4:35 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Larry, I don't know for sure but that name is what a waste gate does. Mike On Jul 7, 2013 12:30 PM, "Larry T" wrote: Thanks Kaleb -- I am reviewing the WSM sections on the Turbo - I ne

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Rich, You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http:/

Re: [MBZ] Some guy takes a 220D to the track.

2013-07-08 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 7:19 AM -0400 7/2/13, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: http://oldcarjunkie.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/taking-the-diesel-mercedes-to-the-auto-x/ Hee! I actually autocrossed my '68 220D a couple of times. Most fun! -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Wow! That is crazy! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okie

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