Me, too, on both points - authority and dynamics. I think that in this case, there was great lack of cockpit dynamics - everybody dozing at the same time - and on approach to landing under CAVU conditions?!

Wilton

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Agreed. Just thought that was interesting. I wonder if cockpit dynamics contributed to the crash.

Dan always willing to question authority

On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:00 AM, WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

Still no excuse.

Wilton

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I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe.

Oops!

Dan

On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:47 AM, WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude.

Wilton

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Frederick" <psf...@earthlink.net>
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I believe Rolls Royce modified the engines as a result of the previous crash. Don't know the specifics, but loss of power resulted in the crash and the cause of the low power was frozen or waxed up fuel in the engines, not the tanks.

Gelled fuel is a known hazard, but for some reason caused a crash after descent and on final approach.

Peter

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