Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Hear Here! Great sermon!  SHort! Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 4:22 PM: The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ Full disclosure:  My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
HAVE YOU actually SEEN a coal fired power plant? Clue:  there is no black smoke BTW: Trim thy posts! Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 1:53 PM: So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired

Re: [MBZ] Rust free

2019-04-04 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
You should get that and flip it to the FB morons --FT Sent from iPhone > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > 1978 MERCEDES 300D > > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/wichita-1978-mercedes-300d/6858309572.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > >

Re: [MBZ] Feel the Bern

2019-04-04 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Car shake at start --FT Sent from iPhone > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Mercedes-Benz Diesel 1987 > > https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/albuquerque-mercedes-benz-diesel-1987/6858248285.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On April 4, 2019 at 10:24 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > >| > no? Si, Senor. > > \ > What was the denoument of that saga? They couldn't sell me one unless I produced a CA, OR, or MD driver's license with my picture on it. I toyed

[MBZ] Feel the Bern

2019-04-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Mercedes-Benz Diesel 1987 https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/albuquerque-mercedes-benz-diesel-1987/6858248285.html Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 21:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > When I first heard of California's mandatory "Zero Emissions Vehicle" > proposal, I immediately started calling EVs "Remote Emissions > Vehicles", and I've seen to reason to change my terminology.

[MBZ] Rust free

2019-04-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
1978 MERCEDES 300D https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/wichita-1978-mercedes-300d/6858309572.html Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
When I first heard of California's mandatory "Zero Emissions Vehicle" proposal, I immediately started calling EVs "Remote Emissions Vehicles", and I've seen to reason to change my terminology. And you need to remember, I LIKE the things, tried pretty hard to buy one 3 years ago when I

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP event? Gravity. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Andrew, Points taken. The economy of scale for solar has taken large strides in the past 10 years as production costs for solar panels have dropped and conversion of light energy to electricity efficiency. per panel, has increased. Several large scale solar plants were on the plan prior to 2008

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
How do you build an elephant? Order a mouse, built under government contract... ;)) A few billion spent in government programs to stimulate ignorance and inbreeding would reduce the population to the point where we need less energy... Ohh wait we already have those in place.. ;)) [Sarcasm

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Grant, I beg to differ. Idaho Power has just announced it proposes to install utilities scale solar for 2 and a half cents per kilowatt hour. The cheapest in history. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:47 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > The idea still has merit, perhaps in the future when fossil fuels

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
The idea still has merit, perhaps in the future when fossil fuels are depleted. My concern would be the microwave energy, keeping that pointed in a safe direction. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On April 4, 2019 6:28:40 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >It was all in the reports. 

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
It was all in the reports.  The stuff I worked on had some fairly realistic numbers on all that, based on what we knew at the time and some reasonable expectations of the march of technology. One of the biggest assumptions was the performance of solar photovoltaics going from maybe 3%

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
What a grand plan. However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW hr. projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and the actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on the ground. Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ Full disclosure:  My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on SPS-related work.  His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we spoke a coupla times

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Ummm, I was arguing against Andrew on this one, or at least his idea that hydro was going to produce energy enough for everybody to drive an electric car. Again an electric car isn't for everybody or for every mission any person might make. Owning a car is always about living with the

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
OK, uncle! I give up. You have convinced me to swap my F150 for a Tesla. I will move out of the city and buy some acreage so I can put up enough solar panels to keep it charged! On 04/04/2019 4:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Hydro is an environmental disaster, dams are coming

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Hydro is an environmental disaster, dams are coming down all over the place with huge pushes to "restore the river"... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 4:26:51 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Randy,This is also not true, there are MANY electric cars on the road today and just because they don't fit your needs or lifestyle that doesn't mean they aren't an excellent choice for somebody else. Your F150 would be a really stupid vehicle for somebody living in a big city, does that make

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
I agree that being lied to is not progress. Dwight E. Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Dwight Giles wrote: > I agree. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 3:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > >> This is your daughter

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get your power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect perfection all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree with you

Re: [MBZ] one for clay

2019-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 04/04/2019 12:55 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: That could work, but the guy who was going to do the job has just closed his shop. I did contact some other shops close to my car. They all wanted to source the engines themselves, and that was going to be Metric motors. No more smart

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range.

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
I agree. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 3:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > This is your daughter saying "I'm not having pre-martial sex because anal > doesn't count." its a lie so fundamental it makes me question everything > else said. >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
You are too easily offended. Get off your high horse. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 3:04 PM Curt Raymond wrote: > This is your daughter saying "I'm not having pre-martial sex because anal > doesn't count." its a lie so fundamental it makes me question everything > else said. > > Remember I LIKE electric

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
This is your daughter saying "I'm not having pre-martial sex because anal doesn't count." its a lie so fundamental it makes me question everything else said. Remember I LIKE electric cars, they're fun to drive and can be quite good in some situations, not for every situation but in many cases.

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
As Dimitri's friend Gael would say, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, > that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would > pollute

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
This isn't a "little white lie" its a massive "Everything I'm saying is wrong" lie... On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:53:50 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a blatant obvious lie too. Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? On

Re: [MBZ] one for clay

2019-04-04 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
That could work, but the guy who was going to do the job has just closed his shop. I did contact some other shops close to my car. They all wanted to source the engines themselves, and that was going to be Metric motors. No more smart guys who work on our cars, who can do kludge jobs the way

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 12:28:24 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? There are too many holes and slots in the aluminum skin for it to be an effective Faraday cage. > Now a tube and rag plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
What makes it "right"? -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield?

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > anyway. > > On Thu, Apr 4,

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in anyway. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
So now "renewable" share of power generation is up to maybe 3%? 4%? Lions share is coal, natural gas, nukes. I think natural gas may be eclipsed coal? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:22 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Most new

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
There is emission in the manufacture of the panels and turbines though, and it takes a LOT of them. "No such thing as a free lunch". I guess thorium reactors are the closest we'll come to it. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:22 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Most

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP event? Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Most new sources of power in the USA are renewable energy which is non emitting (solar and wind), plus some geothermal. The trend is your friend.. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:55 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence

Re: [MBZ] nice 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300 E 2.8 Sedan $2k

2019-04-04 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Ha yeah it's a 280E.  The guy probably bought it and trying to flip it, knows nothing about the car --FT On 4/4/19 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I give up - what is it? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Re: [MBZ] nice 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300 E 2.8 Sedan $2k

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I give up - what is it? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/309070016447169/ > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives

[MBZ] nice 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300 E 2.8 Sedan $2k

2019-04-04 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
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[MBZ] anyone interested in cheap 91 300E?

2019-04-04 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence Day parade, complete with banner proclaiming "zero emissions."  A couple of them were also in the local car show, with the banner.  The show is pretty good sized.  There are probably 200-300 cars there.   I did not challenge them, but If

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 7:12 AM: Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev train, which "produces no

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, but pressed on with

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
The hypocrisy of electric vehicles never ceases to amaze me. If you like EVs that’s fine especially if you have a solar panel at your home to charge them but the vast majority of people just use power from the grid. This power has to come from somewhere. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2019,

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
OUCH! - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:03 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of

[MBZ] Darwin Awards

2019-04-04 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Aren't just for the young and dumb. Truly sad. https://nypost.com/2019/04/02/couple-dies-trying-to-protect-classic-car-in-a-giant-plastic-bag/ Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or