Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-29 Thread John Reames
All the same sizes as oxygen tanks. I think they have them as small as 20 or 40 ft3... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 28, 2012, at 17:23, Dan Penoff wrote: > How big of a tank and how much does it cost? > > Dan > > On May 28, 2012, at 4:5

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
While you're at the welding shop you can see all kinds of neat equipment that will blow holes in plate steel. Try that at your local home brewer's shop :-) On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: > Like Craig suggested, years ago I bought the equipment from the local > welding sho

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
Like Craig suggested, years ago I bought the equipment from the local welding shop. I wouldn't buy anything from a beer/beverage supplier On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: > The regulator looks something like this: > > > http://WWW.GOOGLE.COM/products/catalog?hl=en&qe=Tkl

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
The regulator looks something like this: http://WWW.GOOGLE.COM/products/catalog?hl=en&qe=TklUUk9HRU4gUkU&qesig=hntMH_c0vGoDjWirLlrjUQ&pkc=AFgZ2tnZfKXLAt3om_MZDXn1hZcG3vSMGf3_D95hDOW9tsQP0jZbTY8SgyVYZ9QnaiIfU1zT6Em-M851-siFkYXWdyBN6-UouQ&cp=11&gs_id=2i&xhr=t&q=nitrogen+regulator&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
The regulator I purchased had the correct fitting to thread directly into the tank, no extra parts on that side were needed. I can't recall if I changed the fitting on the regulator outlet/lower press side... On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Craig wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:28:39 -0600 B

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Craig
On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:28:39 -0600 Brian Toscano wrote: > You can't really use the tank without a regular anyway. They have a > large 1" or 1-1/4" type fitting designed for a regulator. That would > be one hell of a reducer! When you buy a commerical regulator (Victor, et al.), you get a regul

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
You can't really use the tank without a regular anyway. They have a large 1" or 1-1/4" type fitting designed for a regulator. That would be one hell of a reducer! On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Craig wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2012 17:23:25 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > > > How big of a tank and

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Craig
On Mon, 28 May 2012 17:23:25 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > How big of a tank and how much does it cost? Call your local welding shop and ask them. That's where the ones we used at UT Austin came from. We used them for laser cabinet purge gas and went through a lot of them. The regulators we used ha

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
Looks like I have a 40 cu ft tank, similar in size to: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/UNIWELD-Fuel-Cylinder-2CZW8?gclid=CNaNqK_3o7ACFSWFQAodzUsqYw&cm_mmc=PPC:GooglePLA-_-Welding-_-Supplies-_-2CZW8&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2CZW8&ef_id=sytOJ6BoAgoAAIob:20120528213254:s But I didn't pay anywhere near

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
I can't remember the size, I got a small one and I think it was about $130 for the tank and regulator. That was years ago. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > How big of a tank and how much does it cost? > > Dan > > On May 28, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Brian Toscano > wrote: > > > Ba

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Dan Penoff
How big of a tank and how much does it cost? Dan On May 28, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: > Basically you buy the nitrogen tank and when it gets empty you take it back > for an "exchange". They don't refill the tank you bring back, they just > give you another of the same size >

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
Basically you buy the nitrogen tank and when it gets empty you take it back for an "exchange". They don't refill the tank you bring back, they just give you another of the same size On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: > You can get the nitrogen cylinder/pressure regulator

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
You can get the nitrogen cylinder/pressure regulator from any welding shop. I can't remember if I even needed an adapter to connect it to manifold gauges. Having the nitrogen is also nice as a portable air source if you need to air up tires farther than your air compressor hose will reach O

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On May 28, 2012 7:41 AM, "Brian Toscano" wrote: > > I would normally just put in about 300 psi and watch and the gauge. If it > drops, there's a leak. > > Where do you get the nitrogen and the right fittings to connect it to the A/C gauge set? Alex ___ http:/

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2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
I also use a refrigerant scale to weight the charge I put in. Since I have a 30 lb cylinder it makes sense to do it that way. The scale comes in handy for other things too... like measuring boxes so I can preprint labels before taking them to FedEx, UPS, etc. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Br

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
Beat me, but I suspect you'd notice movement on the gauge. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Max wrote: > Brian Toscano wrote: > > >I would normally just put in about 300 psi and watch and the gauge. If > >it > >drops, there's a leak. > > > Thanks for the explanation. I wonder what gauge mov

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Max
Brian Toscano wrote: >I would normally just put in about 300 psi and watch and the gauge. If >it >drops, there's a leak. Thanks for the explanation. I wonder what gauge movement you'd see if the leak takes a season to let out only 8 ounces if refrigerant? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Toscano
I would normally just put in about 300 psi and watch and the gauge. If it drops, there's a leak. Cheaper than testing with refrigerant. Just because the system can hold vacuum doesn't mean it can hold pressure, and vice versa. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Max wrote: > OnceBrian Toscano

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-28 Thread Max
OnceBrian Toscano > >I usually pressure test with nitrogen and vacuum test with a vacuum > > > > Once you've pressurized with nitrogen, how do you test? How much nitrogen pressure? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Brian Toscano
:-) On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > A catchy name for Jim Cathey's test refrigerant. ;) > > Walt > On May 27, 2012 7:56 PM, "Brian Toscano" wrote: > > > What is JC-Test? > > > > I usually pressure test with nitrogen and vacuum test with a vacuum > pump... > > then put in

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Walt Zarnoch
A catchy name for Jim Cathey's test refrigerant. ;) Walt On May 27, 2012 7:56 PM, "Brian Toscano" wrote: > What is JC-Test? > > I usually pressure test with nitrogen and vacuum test with a vacuum pump... > then put in the correct amount of refrigerant. If flushing is necessary, > they make flush

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Brian Toscano
What is JC-Test? I usually pressure test with nitrogen and vacuum test with a vacuum pump... then put in the correct amount of refrigerant. If flushing is necessary, they make flush guns for that. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > I think the FSM has the make-up numbers fo

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Walt Zarnoch
I think the FSM has the make-up numbers for common things like condenser replacement and whatnot. I'd personally do a system flush with acetone to clean out any acid buildup, then refill oil and use JC-Test for the gas. Walt On May 27, 2012 4:19 PM, "Max" wrote: > Brian Toscano wrote: > > >If

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Max
Brian Toscano wrote: >If you keep running low on refrigerant it will take oil with it and >possibly precipitate compressor replacement as well > > Yes, any thoughts on how to calculate the make-up oil quantity? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Peter Frederick
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips Scott Ritchey wrote: If you DIY, I recommend some system to track all the different size fasteners you need to remove. I used screwed each one into a piece of cardboard and

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread WILTON
'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips Scott Ritchey wrote: If you DIY, I recommend some system to track all the different size fastene

Re: [MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Brian Toscano
If you keep running low on refrigerant it will take oil with it and possibly precipitate compressor replacement as well On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Max wrote: > Scott Ritchey wrote: > > >If you DIY, I recommend some system to track all the different size > >fasteners you need to remo

[MBZ] 124 dash removal tips

2012-05-27 Thread Max
Scott Ritchey wrote: >If you DIY, I recommend some system to track all the different size >fasteners you need to remove. I used screwed each one into a piece of >cardboard and then labeled each group. Thanks Scott, any and all tips are appreciated, I'll be getting to this job eventually (we