Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
When Rusty was still in business and I was rehabbing my $400 '83 240D. I did all 4 brakes with the absolute cheapest rotors he had. I remember them being $25 or less each with a weird brand name like "Standard" which was what was printed on the box.I forget exactly but I think I drove that car

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
AutohausAZ offers a 4 different brake rotor brands selling from $27.59 to $61.99 (OEM Mercedes). I would probably settle for ATE at the cheaper end of the spectrum. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 2:41 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I read a pretty good description of t

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
I read a pretty good description of the relationship btw pad and rotor somewhere. Basically the pad transfers a certain amt of material to the rotor when it is hot. If this is not done uniformly, the rotor surface becomes uneven and causes vibration when brakes are applied. There is also some chang

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
All the "bedding in" procedures seem to be a poor mans heat treat to stabilize the rotor grain structure and keep it from warping. In the good old days, cast rotors were made from virgin iron ore, rather than recycled scrap, such as they are now. Recycled steel in today's foundry mix is a melt of s

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Some 116 and 107 rotors with a 116 part number are NLA from Mercedes. Just got a set of Ate for a car, still available. Jaime On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 9:31 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ritter always said 3-4 stops from 60 to near zero in rapid succession, > then

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Ritter always said 3-4 stops from 60 to near zero in rapid succession, then continue to drive normally for 10 minutes or so in order to allow everything to cool off. I’ve used this approach for some years and never had a problem. However, I use ceramic pads almost exclusively now, so I’m not sur

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
There used to be a time when a truckload of brake rotors got a special, increased, price at the scrap yard. That time has passed... -Curt On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 9:25:17 PM EDT, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote: At least for the W115 and W123, Mercedes used to cast the rotors the

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
There is much tribalism around how to bed in rotors. I've not found any value in it but I still give it a try occasionally. My thought is that the first few stops with new pads and rotors should probably not be panic stops or descents down long grades while holding the car at speed only with th

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-23 Thread ROGER HALE via Mercedes
Just some more info. My old Indies used the rule of thumb that you replaced the rotors with every 2nd or 3rd set of pads, depending on the rotor wear. Never turn the rotors. This worked great on both my 123 and 116. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-08

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Only thing you need to do is rough up the surface of rotors shipped in cosmoline after removing the "grease". This prevents the spiral grooves from turning or the coarse grind from wearing the pads funny initially. No prep needed for the coated ones, just install and drive. Light pedal if at

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
At least for the W115 and W123, Mercedes used to cast the rotors themselves. Not sure if that's still the case, but there's most DEFINITELY a difference between brands based on manufacturing methodology. On Mar 22, 2020, Kaleb Striplin wrote: > > I bought some cheap rotors off rockauto a while

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Scott wrote: > This is interesting. Some say rotors literally warp and others > say it's a break-in issue. Does anyone really know? Gotta brake in the breaks right. Actually, "bed" them. I used to have a lot of trouble with my Suburban. After finding the info from Carroll Smith I have no

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote: > I bought some cheap rotors off rockauto a while back for the 01 > e320. They seem to already be warped as I am already getting > some pulsation on braking.  I just figured a piece of metal is a > piece of metal as far as rotors go.  Perhaps not. Sounds like the fault of the insta

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I have read something about bedding them in.  Supposed to make about 10 slow downs but not come to a complete stop so the pad does not sit on there and imprint material on the rotor.  I have actually never followed this procedure before.  I may have to replace these cheap rotors and actually go

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
One thing that can cause pedal pulsation is a hard spot in the rotor. Usually happens when you make a panic stop and then hold the pedal down, there is enough carbon in the pads and the rotor is hot enough you add some carbon the the spot under the pads, making it wear less that the rest of th

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I call BS on this as well. Along with the “you can’t turn Mercedes rotors”. As long as the rotor hasn’t exceeded the minimum thickness, there’s no reason why you can’t take metal off of it. OE rotors have a little quarter moon sort of notch in them that is the indicator of minimum thickness. Yo

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Well, that would be hard with a new car - I'm calling BS. You don't turn them because they are too thin. Put a dial indicator on the rotor and measure to see if it's wobbling or not. On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 7:34 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > . I seem to recall a

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
gt; From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:54 PM >> To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes ; >> davesl...@okiebenz.com >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin >> Subject: [MBZ] Cheap rotors >>

Re: [MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
7:54 PM > To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes ; > davesl...@okiebenz.com > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: [MBZ] Cheap rotors > > I bought some cheap rotors off rockauto a while back for the 01 e320. They > seem to already be warped as I am already getting some pulsation on > braki

[MBZ] Cheap rotors

2020-03-22 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I bought some cheap rotors off rockauto a while back for the 01 e320.  They seem to already be warped as I am already getting some pulsation on braking.  I just figured a piece of metal is a piece of metal as far as rotors go.  Perhaps not. ___ http://www.o