Re: [MBZ] Ethanol from the WSJ

2006-06-26 Thread ned kleinhenz
I tried, but I just couldn't let this one alone... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote that bio-ethanol is generally an impractical and prohibitively expensive idea. This sounds to me like prime propaganda from the petroleum industry. I am still questioning the real climatologic and environmental

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol from the WSJ

2006-06-26 Thread Jeff Zedic
I often wonder why the US is always so upset with OPEC when you get most of your imported oil from Canada...?? Yes, Canada is the single largest supplier of US oil. I wholeheartedly agree with the space race analogythat should have been going on for a decade now. All of this peak oil talk

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol from the WSJ

2006-06-26 Thread David Brodbeck
Jeff Zedic wrote: I often wonder why the US is always so upset with OPEC when you get most of your imported oil from Canada...?? Yes, Canada is the single largest supplier of US oil. People still remember the 1970s, when OPEC was a big enough player to manipulate the prices at will.

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-25 Thread Peter Frederick
I strongly suspect the Founding Fathers were quite well aware that adjustments would need to be made to the Constitution -- it was, after all, quite a novel experiment. In those days, there was no mass transportation of anything, period. All economics were pretty much local except for highly

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-25 Thread David Brodbeck
Mitch Haley wrote: Can you imagine what would happen if the federal government restricted itself to the matters that the Constitution allows it to meddle in, and lowered overall taxes by 95%? They could get by on tariffs and excise taxes, and millions of former government workers would be out

[MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread RELNGSON
An Energy Field of Dreams June 17, 2006; Page A10 Be like Brazil have never been words to live by except perhaps in soccer or samba. But suddenly Americans are being told we should imitate Brazil in its expensive devotion to driving cars that run on ethanol. VeraSun Energy, the

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Fmiser
At some time fairly close to Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:06:55 EDT, rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Ethanol Solve the Nation's Energy Problems?2   URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115049715522182863.html Maybe biodiesel can. But not from soybeans! I must

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Christopher McCann
but now we have nanoDiesel! Chris David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry. The most widely cited research on this subject comes from Cornell's David Pimental and Berkeley's Ted Patzek. They've found that it takes more than a gallon of fossil fuel to make

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Gee, if those teensy weensy subsidies are all that would get paid to the corn folks, we'd better jump on it. That's nothing compared to all the direct and indirect subsidies that we shell out to the oil companies. A couple of years ago the estimates for what a gal of gas really costs in the us

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Mike Canfield
mean. Mike - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry. The most widely cited research on this subject comes

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Peter Frederick
Unless we change our farming practices, I suspect there is more energy consumed in the production of crops than there is BTU in the finished fuel (particularly ethanol, due to the distillation required). Biofuels can help quite a bit, especially using waste oils as diesel or biodiesel, but we

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Peter Frederick
What, DECENTRALIZATION HERESY!!! BUILD THE BONFIRES BURN THE HERETICS! DEFEND THE ORTHODOXY Centralization of production rather than distributed production (of anything) is one of the reasons we consume so much oil. Shipping oosts then dictate all sorts of stupid waste

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Peter Frederick
Monopolies strangle trade, that's why they were either broken up or regulated heavily in the late 1920's -- even JP Morgan and other Robber Barons supported income taxes and government regulation of business, after the gleaming example of what happens when government doesn't (e.i. the Great

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Jim Cathey
Makes a person wonder when anyone would champion no government or market driven economies. I guess all the experienced voices have retired They're wonderful. The part that needs forcible restraint is that which allows for decreasing competition. When the economy is comprised of many

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ

2006-06-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: Makes a person wonder when anyone would champion no government or market driven economies. I guess all the experienced voices have retired They're wonderful. The part that needs forcible restraint is that which allows for decreasing competition. When the