Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-25 Thread John W. Reames III
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Andrew Cunningham wrote: > Thanks for the info and link to the book, I just ordered one myself. I am > playing with microcontrollers and plan to hijack the pressure signal to the > ALDA and adjust for actual air temperature after the turbo and intercooler > (in garage now, no

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-25 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Thanks for the info and link to the book, I just ordered one myself. I am playing with microcontrollers and plan to hijack the pressure signal to the ALDA and adjust for actual air temperature after the turbo and intercooler (in garage now, not in car yet). Andy On 1/23/07, John Robbins <[EMAI

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-24 Thread John W. Reames III
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, OK Don wrote: > With shipping and handling, its $26.22 - still a bargain for an almost > 500 pg. technical book. Yeah, agree. Better than $66.22! I ordered mine already! -j.

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-24 Thread OK Don
With shipping and handling, its $26.22 - still a bargain for an almost 500 pg. technical book. On 1/23/07, John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, John Robbins wrote: > http://www.ece.msstate.edu/~jer99/mercedes/BoschHighlights.pdf > Its on clearance for $10 !!! -j.

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-23 Thread John W. Reames III
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, John Robbins wrote: > http://www.ece.msstate.edu/~jer99/mercedes/BoschHighlights.pdf > Its on clearance for $10 !!! -j.

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-23 Thread John Robbins
Andrew Cunningham wrote: I would love to see a scan of that chart. Threw in a little extra as well. The chart is on the bottom of page 9 though. A more advanced one for the governor used on the "M" pumps (OM60x) is on page 14. http://www.ece.msstate.edu/~jer99/mercedes/BoschHighlights.

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-23 Thread Peter Merle
-Original Message- From: John Robbins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2007 06:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile Peter Merle wrote: > To ask a furthur question - what shapes the maximum injection st

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-22 Thread Andrew Cunningham
John, I would love to see a scan of that chart. Andy On 1/19/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Merle wrote: > To ask a furthur question - what shapes the maximum injection stoke > volume vs rpm at these pumps. As I understand it compensation for > volumetric efficiency vs rpm

Re: [MBZ] Governer question - injection charge profile

2007-01-19 Thread Peter Merle
rereduced volumetric efficeincy. Peter -Original Message- From: John Robbins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2007 10:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Governer question On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Jim Cathey wrote: >> If we are talking pre computer cont

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-17 Thread John Robbins
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Jim Cathey wrote: If we are talking pre computer controlled Mercedes diesels, such as the 617 turbo diesel, you are totally wrong! The governor does not have any function between idle and full rpm. The only things that control engine speed are the load, and the position

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-17 Thread John Robbins
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Peter Merle wrote: On the in line injector pumps ( MW Type ) there is a centrifugal governer which I understand attempts to control idle speed and maximum rpm . What does it do between these two extreme ranges? Does it work a bit like a speed control where if engine load inc

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-17 Thread John Robbins
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Peter Frederick wrote: It [the governor] does indeed have a function, just like the vac governor in older models. You don't notice the effect except that you get fairly strong acceleration with minor movements of the pedal, then rapid reduction in acceleration as speed ch

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-17 Thread Peter Frederick
, 2007 9:11 AM >To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Governer question > > >In a message dated 1/15/2007 10:21:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >Since the air intake is essentially wide open on a diesel (vac >governors excluded

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-17 Thread Jim Cathey
If we are talking pre computer controlled Mercedes diesels, such as the 617 turbo diesel, you are totally wrong! The governor does not have any function between idle and full rpm. The only things that control engine speed are the load, and the position of the fuel rack. I disagree. It's possi

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-17 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 1/15/2007 10:21:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since the air intake is essentially wide open on a diesel (vac governors excluded, but have the same effect), something has to control engine speed. The governor "combines" the engine speed wi

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-16 Thread Peter Frederick
To even out the fuel delivery and power output -- otherwise you would be constantly changing speed at part throttle. Same thing happens on gasoline engines -- if you have one, watch the vacuum gauge as the load increases and engine speed drops. As the engine slows, charge density goes up (les

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-16 Thread Peter Merle
st Subject: Re: [MBZ] Governer question Since the air intake is essentially wide open on a diesel (vac governors excluded, but have the same effect), something has to control engine speed. The governor "combines" the engine speed with the accelerator position to determine fuel delive

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-15 Thread Peter Frederick
Since the air intake is essentially wide open on a diesel (vac governors excluded, but have the same effect), something has to control engine speed. The governor "combines" the engine speed with the accelerator position to determine fuel delivery. As engine speed drops for any given pedal po

Re: [MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-15 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 1/15/2007 5:28:16 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the in line injector pumps ( MW Type ) there is a centrifugal governer which I understand attempts to control idle speed and maximum rpm . What does it do between these two extreme ranges? Does

[MBZ] Governer question

2007-01-15 Thread Peter Merle
On the in line injector pumps ( MW Type ) there is a centrifugal governer which I understand attempts to control idle speed and maximum rpm . What does it do between these two extreme ranges? Does it work a bit like a speed control where if engine load increases for fuel is injected? If so it certa