Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-14 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I’ve owned several of the 6 cylinder W108s, and they were great cars. Never had a V8 version, never wanted one for just the reasons Jaime stated. That, and I suspect they’re tough to work on with the limited space in the engine compartment. -D > On Jul 14, 2024, at 5:11 AM, Jaime Kopchinski vi

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-14 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
108s are expensive to sort out, especially 4.5s. They all need all the fuel hoses, timing chain, wiring harness repairs - none of these things impact the 6 cylinder cars. Running 4.5s in nice cosmetic condition are worth mid to high teens, but often sell for more at auction. I often recommend 6

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 17:54, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Due to the cost of the device, when they failed a lot of owners opted > to go with a fixed steel spring instead of the compensator, as it was > easy to retrofit. Also, not all of the models with swing axles had a > compensator

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
David, Just to clarify, there are steel springs in the (rear) suspension. The hydropneumatic compensator does just that, it compensates for load on the rear suspension and is intended to maintain a specific ride height. Often mistakenly considered nothing more than a big shock absorber, it’s ac

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
I can't speak to values, other than to echo Dan that generally the crappy ones aren't worth the effort. And sedans anyway are not worth as much as a coupé or convertible. As to the hydropneumatic compensator: a clever but poorly understood contraption mounted in place of the transverse steel sprin

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 15:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones > are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to > realize what a nightmare they can be to restore? Probably would not stop a genuine enthu

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape that might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I think. I have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars. I know there is some sort of issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize what a nightmare they can be to restore? -D > On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I wish I would have bought one y

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Younger generations have much less interest in cars. It's us old farts that are keeping up the demand for classics. On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 12:27, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > Demand is dropping?? I hadn't noticed... > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Demand is dropping?? I hadn't noticed... On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper. > According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are > dropping like a

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper. According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > For perspective

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior, cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007. I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood fuel injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped e

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
If it were running and moving I might be tempted... On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That doesn’t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-12 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
That doesn’t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > The seller writes: "I don't have any time [to put the car in running > condition]. The car runs. Selling as is. The engine tu

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The seller writes: "I don't have any time [to put the car in running condition]. The car runs. Selling as is. The engine turns. Needs new gas." On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather a

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-12 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex. I current own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase. Even a 250S could have leather. Only exception might be the odd ball 108.015 300SE… the steel sprung M189 powered car…. They might all have leather. I have one in the shop

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I drove over to have a look. Rust issues include gaping hole in trunk spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both front fenders. Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are rotted. Still, the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell. Owner is going to get

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-11 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
My '72 280 SEL 4.5 has the leather option. Interestingly, even the door cards are covered in leather. On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > W108 almost universally had MB Tex, whereas the W109 300 SEL 3.5/4.5 were > standard leather. > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 10:05?PM Allan Streib

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-11 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto. —FT Sent from my iPad > On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Might be worth a look. Red interior is special, although the engine bay > seems quite corroded. Thoughts? > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
W108 almost universally had MB Tex, whereas the W109 300 SEL 3.5/4.5 were standard leather. On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 10:05 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > We never wore seat belts in the car driving around town when I was a kid. > When we were very small we did have

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
We never wore seat belts in the car driving around town when I was a kid. When we were very small we did have car seats, but I'm not sure how effective they were at that time. I think they were more just booster seats. On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, at 19:08, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 23:00:40 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" wrote: > I had them in a number of cars over the years, and even installed a set > in my 1962 300SE as it didn’t come with any. The weldnuts were in the > pan but had covers or plugs. I bought a complete set of belts and I > think i

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I had them in a number of cars over the years, and even installed a set in my 1962 300SE as it didn’t come with any. The weldnuts were in the pan but had covers or plugs. I bought a complete set of belts and I think it took about 30 minutes to install them. A good part of the motivation was due

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 22:14:04 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" wrote: > Looks like it’s got the old “Kangol” seat belts. I liked the way the Kangol seat belts in my '72 220D/8 worked. I suppose it was some safety-related thing which made them quit, but I would argue, though, the Kangol belts

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I know the inline 6 280s could be ordered with either, but the ones I’ve owned were MBTex as I recall. Never had a V8 W108. That would be scary. -D > On Jul 10, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Did the 4.5 come with MB Tex or did they all have leather from the factor

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Did the 4.5 come with MB Tex or did they all have leather from the factory? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2024, at 5:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Parts are probably worth the ask. Getting that engine sorted, especially the > fuel system, could be problematic based on th

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Parts are probably worth the ask. Getting that engine sorted, especially the fuel system, could be problematic based on the photos and condition. Interior sure looks nice, and the body/paint issues don’t look bad at all. Looks like it’s got the old “Kangol” seat belts. -D > On Jul 10, 2024, at

[MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Might be worth a look. Red interior is special, although the engine bay seems quite corroded. Thoughts? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185043686174057/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ae231aff8-c301-4ab7-be76-7f36fe58d69f __