Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Gerry Archer
Epoxy putty alone should seal it well enough around the loose joint since there won't be any stresses on it. I would run a heavy bead of epoxy putty around the loose joint. A 2" plastic or metal cap part filled with epoxy putty and pushed down over the end of the pipe should seal that end as well.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Dieselhead
What do you need to know? If they are not leaking, leave them alone. If you need to cut into them, use a rubber boot to connect to plastic or whatever. AFIK, that is legal in most jurisdictions. The next problem in our kitchen remodel relates to an old washing machine drain pipe that I want

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread G Mann
Point taken, however, normally the joint is slightly above the floor surface, which should be enough room to make the in place repair... [long distance Exray set to high power] Please bring the problem closer to the computer so I can see it better... :))) Grant.. AZ On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:38 A

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Max Dillon
A torch and concrete don't mix; concrete will explode. -- Max, Charleston SC G Mann wrote: >I've been following this thread for a bit and trying to read between >the >lines to figure exactly where you have a problem. I "think" the issue >you >have is the pipe joint at the floor slab is leakin

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread G Mann
"IIRC those type of joints were poured with molten lead." Correct. In the old days before EPA and the discovery that lead was a deadly substance one of the duties of a plumbers apprentice was to run the lead pot which kept a supply of hot lead handy to "seal pipe joints"... a the good old day

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Allan Streib
If you just want to plug the pipe, pull everything out and get a rubber expansion plug from the hardware store to plug the end sticking out of the floor. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com T

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Rich Thomas
1 word: sawzall Then get a rubber cap with a clamp and be done with it. --R On 10/1/11 10:51 AM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 04:38:34 -0700 Jim Cathey wrote: I want to cap off the washing machine drain, since it will no longer be used, before I seal the wall back up. I was planning on r

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Craig
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 04:38:34 -0700 Jim Cathey wrote: > > I want to cap off the washing machine drain, since it will no longer > > be used, before I seal the wall back up. I was planning on removing > > the top > > 10" piece and replacing it with a NPT threaded plug. > > Sounds good to me, if the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Michael Canfield
I didn't catch the loose joint part.duh. For fire protection while heating the cast joints simply soak some old towels in water and place them along the wall as a barrier. Careful not to use enough water to damage drywall and such. I think the biggest problem is going to be getting it hot en

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread G Mann
vanized pipe up to the lead pipe. > > Dan > > > > > From: G Mann > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints > > I've been following this thread f

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread LWB250
moving all of the galvanized pipe up to the lead pipe. Dan From: G Mann To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints I've been following this thread for a bit and trying to r

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread G Mann
I've been following this thread for a bit and trying to read between the lines to figure exactly where you have a problem. I "think" the issue you have is the pipe joint at the floor slab is leaking? Otherwise you could cap it all off and close the wall and be content? On the off chance my long

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Michael Canfield
Less work is better to me in a case like this one. Cap off the top of the pipe with a bit of plumbers putty so no sewer gasses or moisture can backflow into the wall, cover it up and forget it. Another way to look at it is that lead is sort of like asbestos, if you leave it alone, it won't hurt y

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Jim Cathey
I want to cap off the washing machine drain, since it will no longer be used, before I seal the wall back up. I was planning on removing the top 10" piece and replacing it with a NPT threaded plug. Sounds good to me, if the big joint isn't leaking. It sounds like I should remove all of the g

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: Plus they have the "magic boxes." Those who use Ace or True Value will know what I am talking about... You mean the drawers full of hardware items, with prices on each compartment like "15 cents each", when the big box store would sell you a package of four for $2.99? Mi

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-10-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Good point. I have an Ace Hardware close by that I regularly patronize even though I am less than four miles from both of the big box home improvement stores. I pay more at Ace, but they almost always have what I need, and all the retired dudes that work there are former tradesmen and know thei

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Fmiser
> > On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:44:38 -0400 Dan Penoff > > I would consider suggesting that you try a big box store > > like Home Despot, but it's a crapshoot as far as the advice > > you might get. > Craig wrote: > > They are also in Santa Fe, but we do have a Do It Best > hardware store here in Los

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Craig
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:28:58 -0400 Allan Streib wrote: > Craig writes: > > > They are also in Santa Fe, but we do have a Do It Best hardware store > > here in Los Alamos! Yeah, I know, I'll start planning a trip to Santa > > Fe. > > Sometimes those local stores have more than you realize, and

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Allan Streib
Craig writes: > They are also in Santa Fe, but we do have a Do It Best hardware store > here in Los Alamos! Yeah, I know, I'll start planning a trip to Santa > Fe. Sometimes those local stores have more than you realize, and also sometimes the employees actually know what they are talking about.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Craig
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:44:38 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > Go to a commercial plumbing supply house with pictures and a diagram. > > There are all sorts of transitions and adapters for connecting up to > cast iron pipe. Thank you for the info. That will mean an hour drive to Santa Fe. > I would c

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Craig
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:28:13 -0400 Max Dillon wrote: > I saw this on "this old house". Use a hammer to break up and remove > the cast joint, replace if needed with modern material. Far > faster/cheaper than trying to save the cast piece. Actually, the cast piece is in the slab, with the "open"

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Dan Penoff
Go to a commercial plumbing supply house with pictures and a diagram. There are all sorts of transitions and adapters for connecting up to cast iron pipe. I would consider suggesting that you try a big box store like Home Despot, but it's a crapshoot as far as the advice you might get. Dan Se

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Allan Streib
Rich Thomas writes: > When they did them, they pounded some oakum in the joint then poured > hot lead over it to seal it up. I think there is some sort of > replacement for that now, probably some sort of epoxy or RTV kind of > stuff or something. Yeah I had to fix one upon complaint of a home i

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Rich Thomas
When they did them, they pounded some oakum in the joint then poured hot lead over it to seal it up. I think there is some sort of replacement for that now, probably some sort of epoxy or RTV kind of stuff or something. I did a PVC to cast iron joint in my old Victorian when I upgraded the plu

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Max Dillon
I saw this on "this old house". Use a hammer to break up and remove the cast joint, replace if needed with modern material. Far faster/cheaper than trying to save the cast piece. -- Max, Charleston SC Craig wrote: >The next problem in our kitchen remodel relates to an old washing >machine

[MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints

2011-09-30 Thread Craig
The next problem in our kitchen remodel relates to an old washing machine drain pipe that I want to remove. It is a short run of 2" galvanized pipe and some 45 degree joints that goes into what is apparently an old-fashioned, cast iron/lead plumbing joint. In trying to remove the short, upper sect