Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It’s not inconvenient for me, and I figure if anyone was ever trying to pull a scam of some sort on me they would try to back out or redirect me knowing where we would be meeting. -D > On Oct 18, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > That’s why I meet CL

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > That’s why I meet CL buyers/sellers in the parking lot of the local > sheriff’s department, The bank I use for such things is immediately next door to the cop shop. Pretty decent locale for such things, really. --Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > unless the perps were continuing to threaten her or her son with deadly > force. I'm not too sympathetic to whomever first offers grievous bodily harm or death. If they suffer it in reverse instead, well... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Timing is everything! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On October 18, 2017 3:09:17 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >Right now in that area there’s a public outcry against underage car >thieves, so I don’t think there will be a lot of sympathy from

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Right now in that area there’s a public outcry against underage car thieves, so I don’t think there will be a lot of sympathy from the community over this. http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/investigations/florida-pinellas-auto-theft-kids-hot-wheels/ -D > On Oct 18, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Meade

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Good points, and those all probably weighed into the decision to not press charges. However, skin-color-matters-if-its-black, so if there is a public outcry then perhaps the police will cave and file charges. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
The perps:  Lasupta Singletary, 18, and Jernalen Dreshaw Coleman, 17 Coleman was sentenced to one year of probation in February for carrying a concealed firearm, according to state records. Singletary of Zephyrhills was arrested in April on charges of armed burglary, larceny and grand theft

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Ours has a similar setup, and they encourage you to come in and tell the desk sergeant you’re there and why so they can keep an eye on things. -D > On Oct 18, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > Our local PD has an area special for just such transactions. It's

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Our local PD has an area special for just such transactions. It's monitored by camera, well lit and had easy access. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Without more details it’s tough to say who’s

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Without more details it’s tough to say who’s at fault here. Of course, going to meet unknown parties in a bank parking lot after hours for a multi-thousand dollar transaction doesn’t exactly imply the person was a rocket scientist. That’s why I meet CL buyers/sellers in the parking lot of the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Keep us posted, I'd love to know how the shooting played out. On the face of it she's probably guilty, unless the perps were continuing to threaten her or her son with deadly force. A jury trial will work in her favor, I think. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 6:43 AM,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
This will be interesting when it’s all sorted out. Sounds like the victim (shooter) will probably walk: http://www.tbo.com/news/publicsafety/crime/police-woman-shoots-kills-teen-who-tried-to-carjack-her-in-clearwater/2341342 -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
O guru of the East! Pray tell WHERE are these "jurisdictions with lax gun laws?" Certainly none in the US of A, Yurp or the former Crown colonies. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes October 16, 2017 at 12:51 PM Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes October 17, 2017 at 11:34 AM Bzzt - WRONG. Soviets involved. This is my own conclusion. BTW, did you read how the Russians created the Texas Secede website? Did you read about all the collusion, crimes and treason involved when the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > Bzzt - WRONG. Soviets involved. This is my own conclusion. No causality express nor implied. Just drawing a parallel, as I see it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On October 17, 2017 at 7:16 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Mitch wrote: > > It's the homicides that matter, not their methods. > > Are there statistics associated with other methods? I'd think so:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Mitch wrote: > It's the homicides that matter, not their methods. Are there statistics associated with other methods? tin.man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I learn so much by being literal. On Oct 17, 2017 5:46 PM, "Larry Turner via Mercedes" wrote: > ;-) > > Thanks for that Jim! > > > On 10/17/2017 11:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > >> Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? >>> >> >>

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
;-) Thanks for that Jim! On 10/17/2017 11:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? Sounds suspiciously like the official Soviet attitude, that their system would only begin to work well once the entire rest of the world was

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage Clarence was my uncle. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On October 16, 2017 at 11:52 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > &g

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Bzzt - WRONG. Soviets involved. This is my own conclusion. BTW, did you read how the Russians created the Texas Secede website? On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? > > > Sounds

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? Sounds suspiciously like the official Soviet attitude, that their system would only begin to work well once the entire rest of the world was running under the same system. THEN the worker's paradise would begin. Yeah,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Clarence was my uncle. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On October 16, 2017 at 11:52 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Mostly acquired by theft. > > It's real easy. You just go to a Gun Free

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On October 16, 2017 at 11:52 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Mostly acquired by theft. It's real easy. You just go to a Gun Free Zone, and break into the cars of people who are forced to leave their sidearms in their cars. A lot of federal agents have

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On October 16, 2017 at 3:36 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes > wrote: > Should we ignore violence delivered by other weapons and only be concerned > about gun violence? BINGO. It's the homicides that matter, not their methods. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
N, could not be All dem good liberal obummer lovers wouldn't break a law Just like their hero, billy bob... Oh! Wait! Whatcha mean, "billy bob's a criminal"? Scott Ritchey via Mercedes October 16, 2017 at 10:52 PM Mostly acquired by theft.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
rew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage > > Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > BTW C

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
You mean like venezuela? Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes October 16, 2017 at 12:51 PM Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
olence delivered by other weapons and only be >> concerned about gun violence? >> >> Greg >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> Sent: Monday, Octo

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:51 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage > > Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mer

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
al Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictio

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Or maybe those gun happy jurisdictions could limit purchases. On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > But they have laws against ownership, acquisition, concealed carry, felons > owning firearms, shooting people, killing people, use of a

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
But they have laws against ownership, acquisition, concealed carry, felons owning firearms, shooting people, killing people, use of a weapon in a violent crime and I'm sure many other applicable laws and ordinances in the city, and yet some elements of society, in the city owned and controlled

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Aren't the guns mostly acquired from jurisdictions with lax gun laws? On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > BTW Chicago was 9/23 this weekend on the count, and Chicago is a Las Vegas > every month. Chicago also has very stringent gun

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 10:01:08 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > BTW Chicago was 9/23 this weekend on the count, and Chicago is a Las > Vegas every month.   Chicago also has very stringent gun control. Not a > peep from the MSM about it for some reason. Could it

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-16 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
BTW Chicago was 9/23 this weekend on the count, and Chicago is a Las Vegas every month.   Chicago also has very stringent gun control. Not a peep from the MSM about it for some reason. --FT On 10/15/17 9:34 PM, as.thompson--- via Mercedes wrote: Twice. I didn’t have to take it out either

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-15 Thread as.thompson--- via Mercedes
Twice. I didn’t have to take it out either time. But when confronting a potential intruder (luckily outside) on both occasions having the gun at hand probably gave my the bad guys the knowledge that I wasn’t going to be a victim. Both were apprehended by LE. Regards, Addison On Oct 15, 2017,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-15 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
To: Mercedes List Cc: Mitch Haley Subject: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage Have you ever used your gun to save/protect a life? If not, do you know anyone who has? http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/10/robert-farago/question-day-know-anyone-defensive-gun-use/ Counselor Donald might be interested

Re: [MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Interesting that you mention Memphis, as I was reading some posts on the Indianapolis City Data forum this morning, one of which was about someone being afraid of “big cities” due to a concern about crime. Someone referenced some stats comparing Memphis and Chicago. I was surprised. -D >

[MBZ] OT: Defensive gun usage

2017-10-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Have you ever used your gun to save/protect a life? If not, do you know anyone who has? http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/10/robert-farago/question-day-know-anyone-defensive-gun-use/ Counselor Donald might be interested in one of the responses, but I think he's already passed on the